String Theory Predictions: Beyond QT, SR & GR

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The discussion centers around the experimental predictions of string theory compared to those of quantum theory (QT), special relativity (SR), and general relativity (GR). Participants explore the implications of string theory, its testability, and its relationship with other theories in the context of theoretical physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that string theory does not make any testable predictions, as its fundamental components (1D strings) are too small to verify experimentally.
  • Others mention that string theory predicts a multitude of particle types and additional dimensions, which remain undetected.
  • A participant references Ed Witten's claim about potential string traces in proton decay experiments, prompting questions about its validity.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of measuring gravity at smaller scales and how the inverse square law might change.
  • Some participants argue that theories can be evaluated based on their internal consistency and compatibility with established knowledge, suggesting that string theory meets these criteria while questioning the viability of loop quantum gravity (LQG).
  • One participant highlights that string theory can produce the black hole entropy relation, contrasting it with LQG's perceived shortcomings in this area.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the testability of string theory and its predictions compared to other theories. There is no consensus on the validity of string theory's implications or its comparison with LQG.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the limitations of current experimental capabilities to test string theory and the challenges in reconciling its predictions with observable phenomena. The discussion reflects ongoing uncertainties in the field regarding the implications of high-energy physics and the nature of gravity.

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What kind of experimental predictions does String theory make that differs from the predictions that past theories (QT, SR, GR)make?
Paden Roder
 
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None.

That is, nothing testible. String theory replaces the point particle with vibtrating 1D loops or lines, which however are too small for us to be able to verify. Since the various vibrations of the string is what gives us the zoo of elementary particles, there should be countless particle types that exist - but have not yet been discovered. String theory also predicts the existence of additional dimensions, but they are also too small to be detected. How convenient for string theorists.

M theory allows for the existence of larger extra dimensions that should be testible, but so far nothing has come of it.
 
I have heard that recently, Ed Witten has stated that there are string traces in advanced proton decay experiments. What do you think of this?
Paden Roder
 


Originally posted by sol
What about "distance" when it comes to measuring gravity?

You mean how the inverse square law should fall off as we probe smaller scales?
 
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Keep in mind that there are other ways than experimentally to differentiate between viable and pathological theories. In particular, we can ask whether a theory can be reconciled with what we already know and whether it's internally consistent. In the case of string theory the answer to both questions is yes. On the other hand, as far as we know, the answer with respect to LQG continues to be no. We can also ask about the plausability of a theory's basic assumptions. For example, the pattern of discovery with particle accelerators is that going to higher energies produces previously unseen phenonmena requiring reevaluation of current theory. Then given that we've only probed at energies which are a tiny fraction of the Planck energy, how plausible is the idea that no new phenomena will emerge invalidating GR as a basis for quantization before we hit Planck energies? Not very.

For example, SMT (String/M-theory) correctly produces the black hole entropy relation, LQG doesn't. Despite that fact that LQG was constructed to be a background independent QGT, the only thing it appears to be is a background independent theory of something we know not what, but it's a virtual certainty that "what" has nothing to do with our universe. On the other hand, any consistent string theory must contain the graviton and GR and in this sense not only is it our only genuine QGT, it aclually predicts (or more accurately retrodicts) spacetime itself!
 

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