Finding Sum/Diff. Formulas: Quadratic to Higher Exponents

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The discussion revolves around the derivation and understanding of sum and difference formulas for polynomials, particularly focusing on the cases of squares, cubes, and higher exponents. Participants explore the mathematical processes involved in deriving these formulas and the challenges faced when attempting to factor expressions without prior knowledge of the formulas.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants explain the factorization of the difference of squares and the sum/difference of cubes using algebraic manipulation.
  • One participant questions the process of deriving these formulas from basic principles, expressing uncertainty about how to find middle terms without existing formulas.
  • Another participant introduces polynomial division as a method to understand the roots of the polynomial expressions, particularly for \(a^n - b^n\).
  • There is a mention that certain expressions, like \(a^2 + b^2\), cannot be factored over the reals, raising questions about the limitations of these formulas.
  • One participant asserts that creativity and experience play a role in deriving these formulas, suggesting a more intuitive approach to understanding the relationships between terms.
  • Another participant emphasizes that there is no direct process to derive the middle terms from \(a^3 - b^3\) without recognizing the established formula, indicating a reliance on prior knowledge.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the derivation process of polynomial factorization. While some agree on the validity of established formulas, others highlight the challenges of deriving them without prior knowledge, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to understanding these concepts.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that certain polynomials cannot be factored in the reals, which limits the applicability of the discussed formulas. There is also a recognition of the need for prior knowledge of formulas to facilitate understanding of the factorization process.

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For the difference of two squares you can factor using: [tex]a^2 - b^2 = (a + b)(a - b)[/tex].

And for the sum and difference of two cubes:
[tex]a^3 + b^3 = (a+b)(a^2 - ab + b^2)[/tex]
[tex]a^3 - b^3 = (a-b)(a^2 + ab + b^2)[/tex]

How are these formulas found...?
Can it be done with basic algebra (am I missing something really simple)?
For example, it is possible to take [tex]ax^2 + bx + c = 0[/tex] and solve for x to get the quadratic formula. But how do you rework [tex]a^2 - a^2[/tex], or [tex]a^3 \pm b^3[/tex] into their respective formulas? What about with higher exponents (i.e. [tex]a^4 \pm b^4[/tex] or or [tex]a^5 \pm b^5[/tex])?

I realize that the resulting factors must, when multiplied, have middle terms that will completely cancel each other out leaving only [tex]a^n \pm b^n[/tex], but how do you work backwards to find the middle terms of the factors?

-EP
 
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You go the other way, i.e.
[tex]a^{2}-b^{2}=a^{2}-ab+ab-b^{2}=a(a-b)+b(a-b)=(a-b)(a+b)[/tex]
[tex]a^{3}-b^{3}=a^{3}+a^{2}b-a^{2}b+ab^{2}-ab^{2}-b^{3}=a^{2}(a-b)+ab(a-b)+b^{2}(a-b)=(a-b)(a^{2}+ab+b^{2})[/tex]...
 
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I understand that you can take the formula and work it backwards to find the middle terms. But what if you don't have the formula? Someone had to find the formula, so how did they find it?

Forgive me if I'm being obtuse, but what mathematical process is used to get from [tex]a^3 - b^3[/tex] to [tex]a^3-a^2b+ab^2+a^2b-ab^2+b^3[/tex]

I'm working under the assumption that the end formula is not necessary in mathematically determining the middle terms... am I incorrect?
I ask because without the formula as a reference, it doesn't seem like it is possible to find the middle terms without a bit of trial and error. Is this the case? And what about cases where the binomial can't be factored? (i.e. [tex]a^2 + b^2[/tex]).

-EP
 
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Did u ever hear of polynomials' division...?The polynomial [tex]P(a)=a^{n}-b^{n}[/tex] has the root a=b...Agree.Then please divide the 2 polynomials...

As for his brother,[tex]P(a)=a^{n}+b^{n}[/tex],well,it can't be factored into the reals...Not really for doing integrals in the reals.

Daniel.
 
Hold it,what have Binomial numbers (i hope they make up Pascal's triangle) with [itex]a^{n}-b^{n} [/tex]...?Binomial numbers come from [itex](a+b)^{n}[/itex],which totally another animal...<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":wink:" title="Wink :wink:" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=":wink:" /><br /> <br /> Daniel.[/itex]
 
EProph said:
I understand that you can take the formula and work it backwards to find the middle terms. But what if you don't have the formula? Someone had to find the formula, so how did they find it?

Forgive me if I'm being obtuse, but what mathematical process is used to get from [tex]a^3 - b^3[/tex] to [tex]a^3-a^2b+ab^2+a^2b-ab^2+b^3[/tex]

Creativity aided by experience.
 
EProph said:
Forgive me if I'm being obtuse, but what mathematical process is used to get from [tex]a^3 - b^3[/tex] to [tex]a^3-a^2b+ab^2+a^2b-ab^2+b^3[/tex]

-EP

There is NO process that will get you from [tex]a^3 - b^3[/tex] to [tex]a^3-a^2b+ab^2+a^2b-ab^2+b^3[/tex]

Perhaps you are thinking of
[tex]a^3- b^3= (a- b)(a^2+ ab+ b^2)[/tex]

The way that was found was exactly what you were told before: people noticed that multiplying (a-b)(a2+ ab+ b2 gave you
a3- b3

It is true that an- bn= (a-b)(an-1+ an-2b+ ... + abn-1+ bn.

IF n IS ODD then an+ bn= (a+b)(an-1- an-2b+ ... - abn-1+ bn. But an+ bn for n even, such as a2+ b2 or a4+ b4 cannot be factored (in terms of real numbers).
 

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