What Are Common Misconceptions About the Big Bang?

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The discussion revolves around common misconceptions about the Big Bang, as highlighted in a recent article from Scientific American. Participants engage with a series of questions related to the nature of the Big Bang, cosmic redshift, and the expansion of the universe, exploring various interpretations and responses to these concepts.

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  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the Big Bang was an explosion of space itself rather than a localized explosion.
  • There is a debate on whether galaxies can recede faster than light, with some arguing that special relativity does not apply to recession velocity, while others assert that it does.
  • Participants discuss the implications of cosmic redshift, with some attributing it to the stretching of light waves and others to the Doppler effect from receding galaxies.
  • There are differing views on the size of the observable universe, with some stating it has a radius of 14 billion light years and others suggesting it is larger due to the expansion of space.
  • The question of whether objects inside the universe expand is contested, with some asserting that they do and others claiming they do not.
  • A participant introduces a hypothetical scenario regarding the redshift or blueshift of a jet ejected from a receding galaxy, raising further questions about the interpretation of redshift in such contexts.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the use of the Doppler Shift as a pedagogical tool, indicating it may have led to misunderstandings.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on several key questions, with multiple competing views remaining on the nature of the Big Bang, the implications of recession velocities, and the interpretation of redshift. The discussion reflects a mix of agreement on some misconceptions while highlighting ongoing debates on others.

Contextual Notes

Some responses depend on specific interpretations of relativistic physics and the definitions of terms like "observable universe" and "expansion." Additionally, the discussion includes a mix of serious inquiry and light-hearted commentary, which may influence the clarity of technical arguments.

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I just read the newest Scientific American. there is an article in it about 6 misconceptions about the big bang. let's see how you do? Can you answer the following 7 questions?
1)What kind of explosion was the big bang?
a. The big bang was like a bomb going off at a certain location in previously empty space.
b. it was an explosion of space itself

2)Can galaxies recede faster than light?
a. Sure they can special relativity does not apply to recession velocity.
b. of course not, special relativity forbids that.

3)Can we see galaxies receding faster than light?
a. no the light from those galaxies never reaches us
b. yes because the expansion rate changes over time

4)Why is there a cosmic redshift?
a.because space stretches all light waves as they propagate.
b. because receding galaxies are moving and exhibit a Doppler shift.

5)how large is the observable universe
a.the universe is 14 billion years old so has a radius of 14 billion light years
b. because space is expanding the observable universe has a radius about 3 times larger than 14 billion light years.

6)Do objects inside the universe expand too?
a. yes
b. no, the universe grows but coherent objects inside it do not.

7) Why won't Moonbear give me the time of day?
a. she doesn't have a watch
b. she has something called good taste

I'll post the answers in a few minutes unless I forget, in which case someone come find me in General discussion and remind me.
 
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my guesses:
1. b
2. a
3. a
4. b
5. a
6. b
7. a who's Moonbear?
 
you need to spend more time in biology and General Discussion, Moonbear is a goddess who loves me but won't admit it.
the correct answers are:
1.b
2.a
3.b
4.a
5.b
6.b
7.c trick question, she will give me the time of day as soon as I wear her down enough with dumb little flirtatious things like this one.
 
3 out of 6 (not including the trick question). I could have randomly guessed and done as well! I guess Scientific American proved their point about misconceptions.
 
Got them all, yay! But then you'd hope an astro/physics major would...
 
All of them, really? Even #7? :biggrin:

I got 5 out of the first 6 (woo hoo, I must be learning something around here), but I don't agree with the answer given for #7. My watch works just fine. :devil: (sorry tony, you still got that one wrong, but I don't think it was really in the Sci Am quiz :wink:)
 
Its strange, not only did Lineweaver not consider tribdog's question 7, he also didn't consider:

8) If a galaxy is receding from us at twice the speed of light and a jet is ejected from the galaxy in our direction at 0.99c wrt the galaxy, will we see the jet as redshifted or blueshifted.

and maybe the answer to Q7 is that Moonbear doesn't agree with the time coordinate in tribdog's coordinate system - just as I don't agree with Lineweaver's.
 
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Thank you for this thread.

It seems like the Doppler Shift is constantly inserted as a pedagogical tool, but it turns out it really only served to confuse me. I suppose the confusion was good if it lead me to investigate, though. :)
 
6 out of 7...lol I chose A for 7
 
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I did ok myself, for not knowing squat about the universe. :smile:

Andromeda, should hope you would get them all...:grumbles: fate of the world in astro/physics people...should hope you know what your doing...:biggrin: Just Kidding!
 
  • #11
Yep I often have fond hopes that we know what we're doing as well. :biggrin:
Now if only we can get this miles to kilometers thing down on our Mars rovers...
 
  • #12
I hope your Mars rovers aren't a mix of standard and metric parts...

:grumbles: we're doomed...good luck finding people to volunteer to go live on Mars...hehehe...jk:biggrin:
 
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[...] just as I don't agree with Lineweaver's
Why not? Mayhap you don't like GR?
 
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tribdog said:
I just read the newest Scientific American. there is an article in it about 6 misconceptions about the big bang.

Too bad, I can't take the test! I've read the article before.
Here it is if you're interested: http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&colID=1&articleID=0009F0CA-C523-1213-852383414B7F0147
 
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i got them all *Fibonacci gets blood rush to his head as it fills with ego* two minutes later Fibonacci misses simple math question, ego goes away. Fibonacci, filled with sadness because of his mistake, kills small insects.














Just Kidding, please don't call the EPA on me

Fibonacci
 

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