Legendre symbol proof for (-5/p)

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The discussion revolves around proving the forms of the Legendre symbol for (-5/p) as part of a homework problem. Participants explore the application of quadratic reciprocity and congruences in determining the values of the Legendre symbol based on the properties of prime numbers.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their approach to proving the Legendre symbols for -1, 2, 3, and 7, and seeks guidance specifically for -5.
  • Another participant suggests breaking the problem into cases based on the value of (-1/p) and using quadratic reciprocity to evaluate (5/p) depending on p mod 5.
  • A participant proposes that (-5/p) can be expressed as (5/p)(p/5)(-1/p) and identifies congruences for different cases, suggesting that (-5/p) equals 1 for certain congruences and -1 for others.
  • Further edits from the same participant refine their findings, indicating specific congruences for which (-5/p) equals 1 or -1.
  • A separate inquiry is made about the proof for (-3/p), with a participant expressing curiosity about the expected outcomes based on congruences mod 6.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present various approaches and calculations regarding the Legendre symbol for (-5/p), but there is no consensus on the final proof or the specific congruences involved. The discussion remains exploratory with multiple viewpoints and methods presented.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference specific congruences and conditions without fully resolving the implications of those conditions. The discussion includes assumptions about the properties of primes and the application of quadratic reciprocity that are not universally agreed upon.

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I am working on some homework that I already handed in, but I can't get one of the problems. The fourth problem on the HW was to prove the forms of (-1/p), (2/p), (3/p), (-5/p), and (7/p).

I did this for -1 and 2 using the quadratic residues and generalizing a form for them. for 3 and 7 i used QRL, since they are both -1 mod 4, can i use QRL for the proof of -5 too? i know i got at least 80% on this problem, and that's a B+, so i should be fine on this problem. could someone please guide me on the first steps of this proof so that i can understand it? 3 and 7 were pretty easy, but I am not sure i got 7 right. most of it was in the book by David Burton that we use. BTW, I am a sophomore in math, so this class is really hard for me. that's why I am coming here for more understanding, that and my profs office hours are short and i use them for linear algebra.

for 3, i showed p congruent to 1 mod 4 for 4|p-1 and congruent to 1 mod 3 for 3|p-1, so 12|p-1, the forms of this p congruent to 3 mod 4 are 3 mod 12, 7 mod 12, 11 mod 12, and p congruent to 2 mod 3, if p congruent to 2 mod 12, 5 mod 12, 8 mod 12, 11 mod 12. the common solutions are p congruent to 1 and 11 mod 12, so its +- 1 mod 12, (3/p)=1, and since 8 is 0 mod 4, toss it, 3 and 9 are 0 mod 3, toss em, so 5,7 yield +- 5 mod 12, (3/p)=-1

can someone lead me through this for -5 now?

sorry for type settting, it wasnt really that necessary for this problem, and I am in a lab where i don't have much time left. sorry for long paragraphs too!
 
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First break it into cases depending on what (-1/p) is, which you should know everything about. Then use quadratic reciprocity to determine (5/p), according to what p is mod 5.
 
ok, i see. I am needing to break (-5/p) into (5/p)(p/5)(-1/p) and solve for all the common congruences?

i get (-5/p) = {1 for p congruent to 1,9 (mod 20) and -1 for p congruent to -1,-9 (mod 20)}

is that right?

*EDIT* oops, don't i need to hit 3,7,13,17? *works on second half* *EDIT*

*2nd EDIT*

so, for p congruent to 3 (mod 20), both (-1/p) and (5/p) are -1, so 3 goes in the 1s, p congruent to 7 (mod 20), both (-1/p) and (5/p) are -1, so 7 goes in the 1s too, p congruent to 13, (-1/p) is 1, so its a -1s, same with 17...

so its (-5/p)={1 if p congruent to 1,3,7,9 (mod 20), -1 if p congruent to -1,-3,-7,-9 (mod 20)}

*2nd EDIT*
 
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what would the proof be if it was to be (-3/p)? i know it is suppose to end up as =1 if p == 1 mod 6, and -1 if p == -1 mod 6, but why?
 
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