What happends to light before it reaches us?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of light as it travels from distant stars to Earth, exploring various phenomena that may affect its journey, such as bending, slowing, and redshift. Participants examine whether our observations accurately reflect the universe's conditions and the implications of different processes that light undergoes before reaching us.

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  • Some participants question whether what we observe from Earth is a true representation of the universe, suggesting that light may undergo various transformations such as bending and slowing.
  • One participant lists several processes that can affect light, including absorption, scattering, lensing, polarization, and cosmological redshift, noting that each has unique signatures that can help identify them.
  • It is mentioned that lensing occurs at all wavelengths while scattering is typically wavelength-dependent, and that cosmological redshift can be determined by analyzing the spectrum of light from celestial objects.
  • Absorption lines are highlighted as particularly identifiable features in spectra that aid in determining redshift.
  • Another participant expresses interest in literature recommendations on the subject, indicating a desire for further exploration of the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the implications of light's journey or the accuracy of our observations. Multiple viewpoints and uncertainties remain regarding the processes affecting light and their interpretations.

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The discussion reflects a variety of assumptions about the nature of light and the processes it undergoes, with no resolution on the complexities involved in interpreting astronomical observations.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying astronomy, astrophysics, or anyone curious about the behavior of light in the universe and its implications for observational astronomy.

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Is what we are observing, here from earth, a true representation of what is happening in the universe? From what I gather from this forum it seems like light bends, light slows down, does loops, flips, backsummersaults,and pirouettes before it reaches us. How do we know a red shift is really red and not blue?
 
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Tapsnap said:
Is what we are observing, here from earth, a true representation of what is happening in the universe? From what I gather from this forum it seems like light bends, light slows down, does loops, flips, backsummersaults,and pirouettes before it reaches us. How do we know a red shift is really red and not blue?

I'll try to be brief, but there's no short answer to that question. Here's a partial list of things that can happen to light between use and a star:

absorption (in lines, dust, or edges)
scattering (off of dust, atoms, electrons, or photons)
lensing
polarization (usually via the interstellar medium)
cosmological redshift

Each of these things has its own unique signature, so we can usually tell which ones are occurring. For example, lensing can be identified from the fact that it occurs at all wavelengths, while scattering is usually wavelength-dependent. Cosmological redshift is identified by looking at the spectrum of the object. Objects of a certain type tend to have certain shapes in their spectra, so we can figure out the redshift by just looking at how shifted these shapes are. Absorption lines are particularly easy to identify because they stand out as narrow dips in the spectrum of the object. In fact, these dips are examples of what we use to find an object's cosmological redshift.

There are many different processes for unraveling this puzzle, though, so I won't even begin to try to describe all of them. It's also worth keeping in mind that space is mostly empty, so even though these processes are common, they're not so common that the situation is hopeless. It would be a real shame if the universe were designed that way. :wink:
 
Thanks SpaceTiger. Is there any literature you an recommend on this subject?
 
Tapsnap said:
Thanks SpaceTiger. Is there any literature you an recommend on this subject?

A large fraction of the material in introductory astronomy textbooks (for astronomy undergrads) is devoted to this exact subject. I'm a big fan of Carroll and Ostlie.
 

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