How Do I Calculate Work Done by Forces in Physics Problems?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the work done by forces in a physics problem involving an object attracted toward the origin by a force described by F_x = -k/(x^2). Participants explore various parts of the problem, including the calculation of work done during movement from x_1 to x_2 and the implications of different forces acting on the object.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of work done using integration, questioning the signs of the work based on the direction of forces. There is uncertainty about the nature of the force exerted by the hand and its relationship to the attractive force. Some participants express confusion regarding the implications of moving slowly and the balance of forces.

Discussion Status

Some participants have verified parts of the problem, indicating that certain calculations are correct. However, there remains a lack of consensus on the interpretation of forces and the resulting work done. Guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the forces and their directions, but confusion persists among some participants.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem does not specify the magnitude of the force exerted by the hand, leading to questions about how to approach the calculations for parts c) and d). The context of moving slowly suggests a balance of forces, but this is not explicitly detailed in the problem statement.

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i don't get it------someone please help

Hi, i think i might have gotten the first aspect of this question right, but the other parts I am not too sure about...ie i have no idea what its going on about.

Question: An object is attracted toward the origin with a force given by F_x = -k/(x^2)

part a: Calculate the work done by a force F_x when the object moves in the x-diection from x_1 to x_2.

for this i found the integral of the force with limits x_1 to x_2 , i ended up with something like

work = k( (1/x_2) - (1/x_1) )

this might be totally wrong though

partb: if x_2 is greater than x_1, is the work done by F_x positive or negative?

i got negative, because it turns out negative for the integral answer.

partc: The only other force acting on the object is a force that you exert with your hand to move the obect slowly from x_1 to x_2. How much work do you do?

i have absolutely no idea what's going on here, they don't tell u what this force is?

partd: if x_2 is greater than x_1 is the work you do positive or negative? (in relation to part c)


please help
 
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a) is correct.So is b).For point c),what sense has the force you exert wrt the sense of the force in the points b) & a)...?

If you figure that out & count the fact that the problem does not mention other force,nor the kinematics of the body,u can solve c) & d) easily;

Daniel.
 
dextercioby said:
a) is correct.So is b).For point c),what sense has the force you exert wrt the sense of the force in the points b) & a)...?

If you figure that out & count the fact that the problem does not mention other force,nor the kinematics of the body,u can solve c) & d) easily;

Daniel.


thanks for that verification, I'm glad i got something right.


arent u doing like negative work, since your taking energy away...or is it positive? If so, i still don't get it, would it be like the same force, but u integrate it positively or something? Bloody hell
 
Work is the integral of F with respect to distance. Here your distance is x_2-x_1, and the force F is -k/x^2. Integrate F with respect to x and evaluate at the points x_2 and x_1. Going WITH a force increases potential, going AGAINST a force decreases potential.
 
There's no convention here,like in thermodynamics.You just gave to apply calculus & the definition.


And yes,it is the same force in absolute value,but it has a negative sign (compared to the I-st),therefore the work done would acquire the same "-".

Daniel.
 
dextercioby said:
There's no convention here,like in thermodynamics.You just gave to apply calculus & the definition.


And yes,it is the same force in absolute value,but it has a negative sign (compared to the I-st),therefore the work done would acquire the same "-".

Daniel.


what the? but how can it be the same magnitude of force, i mean the question dosent specify anything about the force in terms of its magnitude, how can we deduce that it is infact the same magnitude with a negative?


and isn't that force going in the same direction as the other one?

omg I am getting even more confused.

so what youre saying is that its the same force with magnitude Fx=k/(x^2)
and so i do the same integration thing.

i end up with k(1/x_1 - 1/x_2)

and the next part is positive work
 
Hi dark_angel,

The fact that the object moves ``slowly'' from [itex]x_1[/itex] to [itex]x_2[/itex] suggests that it is not accelerating, and therefore the force from your hand balances the attractive force. The work done by your hand is thus
[itex]\int_{x_1}^{x_2}\frac{k}{x^2}\thinspace\mathrm{d}x = k\left(\frac{1}{x_1} -\frac{1}{x_2}\right)[/itex]
as you said.
 

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