How do we apply the Friedman solution to a fluid with constant pressure and energy density?

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The discussion revolves around the application of the Friedmann solution to a fluid characterized by constant pressure and energy density. Participants explore the derivation of the Friedmann equation, the implications of the Robertson-Walker metric, and the representation of the stress-energy tensor for a perfect fluid within the context of cosmology.

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  • One participant presents the Friedmann equation and seeks clarification on deriving the scale factor a(t).
  • Another participant describes the Robertson-Walker metric and its dependence on the curvature constant k, noting the different forms of S(r) based on k's value.
  • Questions arise regarding the units of S_k(r) and the conventions used in cosmological metrics.
  • Participants discuss the stress-energy tensor for a perfect fluid, with one participant expressing a desire to understand the reasoning behind its formal representation.
  • There is a discussion on the implications of assuming constant pressure and energy density in the context of the fluid's rest frame.
  • Clarifications are made about the components of the stress-energy tensor in the rest frame of the fluid, with emphasis on the relationship between pressure and energy density.
  • One participant confirms their understanding of the tensor's diagonal form under the assumption of constant pressure and energy density.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the derivation of the Friedmann equation and the representation of the stress-energy tensor. There is no clear consensus on some of the technical details, such as the treatment of curvature and the implications of the metric conventions.

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Participants note the complexity of deriving the Friedmann equation and the assumptions involved in the isotropic and homogeneous universe model. There are also discussions about the limitations of the metric and the stress-energy tensor representations, particularly regarding unit conventions and the implications of different curvature values.

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Looking at the Friedman solution for a fluid with a given pressure and energy density, we have:

[tex]H^2 = \left(\frac{\dot{a}}{a}\right)^2 = \frac{8 \pi G}{3}\rho + \frac{\Lambda}{3} - \frac{k}{a^2}[/tex]

Would someone mind walking me through how we arrive at a?

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From the assumption that the universe is isotropic we are lead immediately to the Robertson-Walker metric:

[tex]ds^2 = c^2dt^2 + a(t) [ dr^2 + S_k(r) d\Omega^2 ][/tex]

K is a constant either -1, 0, +1.

If k = +1 , the function S(r) = sin(r).

If k = -1, S(r) = sinh(r).

k = 0 implies S(r) = r.

By the way, omega is shorthand for some angular metric components, look it up under "hypersphere" at www.mathworld.com

Anyway, from this metric, along with the stress-energy tensor for a perfect fluid:

[tex]T_{\alpha\beta} = P g_{\alpha\beta} - (P - \rho)U_\alpha U_\beta[/tex]

(P is pressure, u is four velocity, rho is density, and g is the metric tensor)


We insert both of these guys into the einstein field equations (remember the einstein tensor G is just a bunch of derivatives of the RW metric):

[tex]G_{\alpha\beta} = \frac{8 \pi G}{c^2} T_{\alpha\beta}[/tex]

Then solve for a(t) to get the freidmann equation. It is all very do-able, but it takes at least half an hour.
 
Crosson said:
From the assumption that the universe is isotropic we are lead immediately to the Robertson-Walker metric:

[tex]ds^2 = c^2dt^2 + a(t) [ dr^2 + S_k(r) d\Omega^2 ][/tex]

K is a constant either -1, 0, +1.

If k = +1 , the function S(r) = sin(r).

If k = -1, S(r) = sinh(r).

k = 0 implies S(r) = r.

By the way, omega is shorthand for some angular metric components, look it up under "hypersphere" at www.mathworld.com

Okay.

1. [tex]d\Omega = d\theta^2 + \sin^2(\theta)d\phi[/tex].

2. Shouldn't [tex]S_k(r)[/tex] take on the same units as dr (as [tex]d\Omega[/tex] is dimensionless)? In which case, as is indicated http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedmann-Lema%EEtre-Robertson-Walker, we should multiply by the mag of the curvature radius. I'm not being facetious, but its easy to get lost when you're not quite clear on the unit constant convention used.

3. The codomain of k is restricted to -1, 0, 1, or is this just a convenient choice since we're more or less concerned with whether the large scale structure is closed, flat or hyperbolic?

Anyway, from this metric, along with the stress-energy tensor for a perfect fluid:

[tex]T_{\alpha\beta} = P g_{\alpha\beta} - (P - \rho)U_\alpha U_\beta[/tex]

(P is pressure, u is four velocity, rho is density, and g is the metric tensor)

Now this is where I should've started asking questions. What process do you go through starting with "homogenous, isotropic universe" to get a tensor description of it? I understand intuitively what it means, but I would love to know how you reason out a perfect fluid's formal representation.

I can guess that:
1. Because FLRW is for an isotropic, homogenous universe, P and [tex]\rho[/tex] are assumed constant...

...and...

2. for an observer at rest with the fluid, the equation reduces to [tex]T_{\alpha\beta} = P g_{\alpha\beta}[/tex]

But where do you get [tex](P - \rho)[/tex]?

We insert both of these guys into the einstein field equations (remember the einstein tensor G is just a bunch of derivatives of the RW metric):

[tex]G_{\alpha\beta} = \frac{8 \pi G}{c^2} T_{\alpha\beta}[/tex]

Then solve for a(t) to get the freidmann equation. It is all very do-able, but it takes at least half an hour.

Thanks for your help. I'll digest this and get back to the thread if I have more questions.

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It is much easier to look at the stress energy tensor for a perfect fluid in matric form than as:

[tex]T_{\alpha\beta} = P g_{\alpha\beta} - (P - \rho)U_\alpha U_\beta[/tex]

But I don't know how to Latex format a matrix. I will describe the components in the rest frame of the fluid:

[tex]T_{00} = \rho c^2[/tex]

[tex]T_{11} = P_x[/tex]

[tex]T_{22} = P_y[/tex]

[tex]T_{33} = P_z[/tex]

And the rest (off diagonal) are zero. Remember that U is the four velocity, and in the rest frame of the fluid this is equal to c in the time direction. Also, remember pressure is stress.

3. The codomain of k is restricted to -1, 0, 1, or is this just a convenient choice since we're more or less concerned with whether the large scale structure is closed, flat or hyperbolic?

Yes, an isotropic (simply connected) shape can only have one of three curvatures.
 
Crosson said:
Remember that U is the four velocity, and in the rest frame of the fluid this is equal to c in the time direction. Also, remember pressure is stress.

Okay, I got it. So check me here. In the fluid's rest frame, which a choice of units c = 1, the equation gives us just the energy density, correct?

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Okay, I got it. So check me here. In the fluid's rest frame, which a choice of units c = 1, the equation gives us just the energy density, correct?

What are you using for g ? In the rest frame of the particle the metric tensor (g) is simply the flat metric of minkowski spacetime (16 components, all of them zero except g00 = -1 and g11=g22=g33=1).

U is a vector which is all zero accept for the zeroth component (time) which is c = 1.

Using these and the abstract equation, you should be able to construct the components of the stress-energy tensor of a perfect fluid (in its rest frame). (the diagonal terms I described.)
 
Crosson said:
What are you using for g ?

Just g00 = -1, everything else set to zero.

U is a vector which is all zero accept for the zeroth component (time) which is c = 1.

Since

[tex]g_{\alpha\beta} = -U_{\alpha}U_{\beta[/tex]

in the rest frame,

[tex]T_{\alpha\beta} = Pg_{\alpha\beta} - (P - \rho)U_{\alpha}U_{\beta}[/tex]

reduces to

[tex]T_{\alpha\beta} = \rho(U_{\alpha}U_{\beta})[/tex]

where all that remains is the energy density component in the time direction.

Right?

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I think I got it.

You will end up with [tex]diag(\rho, p, p, p)[/tex] for constant pressure and energy density and with c = 1. The [tex]U_{\alpha}U_{\beta}[/tex] term will give us the energy density in the time dimension and the metric term will give us the pressure in space.

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