Swastika

[stoned]

Hey guys ! has anyone of you have Columbia jacket or shoes ? i'm sure lots of you do then take a look at the logo,don't you think it looks little bit like swastika ?

[brewnog]

Well, the overall shape is kinda square, ish.

You been smoking again?

[Moonbear]

Nope, looks to me like a basket weave...or would that be a fabric weave?

[hypatia]

I just don't see it either..shrugs....

[franznietzsche]

Hey guys ! has anyone of you have Columbia jacket or shoes ? i'm sure lots of you do then take a look at the logo,don't you think it looks little bit like swastika ?


I think your name explains this whole mixup perfectly.

Troll.

[check]

Actually, I've noticed it before too. It's not a big deal, they're not identical, but it did catch my eye before.

[stoned]

Well....it was nice to be here on PF,have to get back to real life,all the best to you people! :smile:

[scarecrow]

The Swastika was originally a Hindu symbol of some sort (I think peace), but the German Nazis totally changed how the world perceives it now.

[Evo]

The Swastika was originally a Hindu symbol of some sort (I think peace), but the German Nazis totally changed how the world perceives it now.It's a Tibetan symbol.

[scarecrow]

my fault...

[Danger]

It's a Tibetan symbol.
So were the Nazis dyslexic or did they put the arms on backwards on purpose?

[hypatia]

The swastika was used by... American Indians, Hindus, Buddhists, Vikings, Greeks, Romans, Celts, Anglo-Saxons, Mayans, Aztecs, Persians, Christians, and neolithic tribes too.

[Evo]

So were the Nazis dyslexic or did they put the arms on backwards on purpose?The traditional Buddhist version is clockwise and Bon is counter clockwise. (ok, that I had to look up :tongue: )

I'm fascinated with Tibet and want to go there. I would like to have a Tibetan sky burial.

[scarecrow]

so i was right, evo.......hmm!!! just kidding.

[AKG]

Tibetan? No, it's a Hindu symbol, although similar symbols were used in many cultures. "Swastika" is a Sanskrit word (the language of ancient Hindus). "Aryan" is also a Sanskrit word. Evidently, Hitler had a theme going. You can read more about the Swastika and about Aryan people at Wikipedia, as well as why Hitler was going with this theme, etc.

[Evo]

Tibetan? No, it's a Hindu symbol, although similar symbols were used in many cultures. "Swastika" is a Sanskrit word (the language of ancient Hindus). "Aryan" is also a Sanskrit word. Evidently, Hitler had a theme going. You can read more about the Swastika and about Aryan people at Wikipedia, as well as why Hitler was going with this theme, etc.It is very much a Tibetan Buddhist symbol. Swastika: commonly seen on home walls or on monastery floors. Meaning good fortune, it symbolizes infinity, universe and sometimes sun and moon. Buddhists draw it clockwise while bon followers draw it anticlockwise. http://www.travelchinaguide.com/cityguides/tibet/religious-symbol.htm

[scarecrow]

http://ancienthistory.about.com/library/bl/bl_swastika_forum.htm

[Evo]

my fault...No, I meant also Tibetan. Hypatia is correct that it's been a common symbol throughout history.

[Danger]

I'm fascinated with Tibet and want to go there. I would like to have a Tibetan sky burial.
I know that you're a romantic at heart, honey, but you're overlooking the one obvious drawback to that... it requires death! How about a nice gondola ride in Venice or something instead? :wink:

[Danger]

Hitler was going with this theme
Yeah, Hitler had himself a plan there. Blond, blue-eyed rulers of the world. A master race based upon 2 recessive genes... :uhh:

[hypatia]

photo link to the earliest swastkas (http://perso.wanadoo.fr/archeometrie/swastika.htm)

some up to 7000 years old!

[Evo]

photo link to the earliest swastkas (http://perso.wanadoo.fr/archeometrie/swastika.htm)

some up to 7000 years old!Great link!

[Evo]

I know that you're a romantic at heart, honey, but you're overlooking the one obvious drawback to that... it requires death!Well, it's something you'd only do once...

[Danger]

Well, it's something you'd only do once...
Unless you're Hindi...

[hypatia]

ummm Evo, you do know the sky burial consists of being hacked up and being fed to vultures?

[Evo]

ummm Evo, you do know the sky burial consists of being hacked up and being fed to vultures?Yep, I saw it in a documentary.

[Danger]

photo link to the earliest swastkas (http://perso.wanadoo.fr/archeometrie/swastika.htm)

some up to 7000 years old!
Imagine an antique dealer coming up with something like that... :rolleyes:
It does look like a great site, but I only had time to skim the first page. Already, I saw the blueprints for a turbine and an early Wankel engine. What else might there be...? :wink:

[hypatia]

Funny, here in Detroit they hack you up and feed you to the rats...and they just call it...ditchen the evidence

[Evo]

Funny, here in Detroit they hack you up and feed you to the rats...and they just call it...ditchen the evidence :rofl:

I just think being pooped all over the mountains by a pack of vultures is somehow an appropriate way to end it all. First I'm food, then I'm fertilizer.

The monks that do this consider that feeding their bodies to the vultures will save the lives of some small animals. I don't even know that a regular person is allowed to have this type of burial there?

[franznietzsche]

Unless you're Hindi...

Or buddhist....

Did you mean hindi or hindu? Hindu means your religion is hinduism. Hindi is a language.

[Danger]

Funny, here in Detroit they hack you up and feed you to the rats...and they just call it...ditchen the evidence
It's nice to see that you're finally showing some consideration for your southern neighbours (that could take some explaining for people who don't know the area!). The number of times we had to unclog your 'evidence' from our boat propellers on the St. Clair back in the '60s & '70s... : :grumpy:

[hypatia]

I'm sure it would depend on China's feeling towards the westerners at that moment. I was in Tibet in 82, and was not allowed to do hardly anything. Very closely watched, and threated by jail.
Friends of mine went in 87 for the same research project and could roam about freely. So it just depends on the mood of China.

[Evo]

I'm sure it would depend on China's feeling towards the westerners at that moment. I was in Tibet in 82, and was not allowed to do hardly anything. Very closely watched, and threated by jail.
Friends of mine went in 87 for the same research project and could roam about freely. So it just depends on the mood of China.Wow, you were actually there! The last documentary I watched was by Frederique Darragon, an incredible woman.

Can I ask what you were researching? I wondered how you knew about sky burials.

[hypatia]

Hah Danger, yep from where I live Canada is south...and now you know why the walleye get so big in the lakes!

[Danger]

I don't even know that a regular person is allowed to have this type of burial there?
First off, I doubt that you qualify as a 'regular person' regardless of the criteria. :wink:
Anyhow, save your heirs the expense and just talk to SOS2008; gazillions of vultures in Arizona, right?

[hypatia]

I was looking at teeth, on a grant funded by National Geographic Society. There is a pattern in the shape of teeth that is being traced through several civilizations.

[Evo]

First off, I doubt that you qualify as a 'regular person' regardless of the criteria. :wink: "not normal" would be correct :wink:

Anyhow, save your heirs the expense and just talk to SOS2008; gazillions of vultures in Arizona, right?When I told my daughter this was what I wanted, she told me I wasn't allowed to die. I think she plans to have me stuffed and mounted. :frown:

[Danger]

Or buddhist....

Did you mean hindi or hindu? Hindu means your religion is hinduism. Hindi is a language.
Damn! You caught me! I always get those mixed up. I've got a dictionary right behind me and I was too lazy to check. I took a shot at the 50/50 chance of being right. :redface:

[Evo]

I was looking at teeth, on a grant funded by National Geographic Society. There is a pattern in the shape of teeth that is being traced through several civilizations.Wow, I envy you. :smile: Are you still involved in this?

Now I hate my job even more. :grumpy:

edit: I "must" go to sleep.

[Danger]

When I told my daughter this was what I wanted, she told me I wasn't allowed to die.
I had thought about requesting that if you predeceased me, I could have the body, but considering Moonbear's reaction to necrophilia, I chickened out.

[hypatia]

No my leg of that research is done, forensic anthropology is not a real pretty job. I get called on for a few special short term projects, but I have no desire to go back to 3rd world countries, where life is so meaningless.

edited...I should not say meaningless...more like depressing

[Danger]

I was looking at teeth, on a grant funded by National Geographic Society. There is a pattern in the shape of teeth that is being traced through several civilizations.
Not the 'National Dental Association'? :confused:

[Evo]

No my leg of that research is done, forensic anthropology is not a real pretty job.Actually, I would have loved to have done that, but I am a bit strange. :redface:

edited...I should not say meaningless...more like depressingI agree, when I was in Thailand I couldn't believe the poverty.

Ok, I am really going to sleep now.

[hypatia]

me too ...nite {nods heads and winks out}

[Danger]

I am a bit strange
Isn't that a lot like saying that the Atlantic is a bit damp? :wink:
Okay, I'm nodding off now too. Got a partner relying on me to help him slay the dragons tomorrow. G'night all. :smile:

[franznietzsche]

Sleep, she is for the weak.

[Danger]

Sleep, she is for the weak.
Laugh it up Junior... someday you'll be old and feeble too. (Incidentally, my personal record was 147 hours with 2x 1hour naps and 1x 2hour nap when I was security chief at a convention. Think you can top it? :wink: )

[Smurf]

Tibetan? No, it's a Hindu symbol, although similar symbols were used in many cultures. "Swastika" is a Sanskrit word (the language of ancient Hindus). "Aryan" is also a Sanskrit word. Evidently, Hitler had a theme going. You can read more about the Swastika and about Aryan people at Wikipedia, as well as why Hitler was going with this theme, etc.
You ever heard of a book called the Spear of Destiny? It's all about where all of hitler's themes came from and.. well I shouldn't give it away, it's a good read. Turns out Hitler was quite the scholar on several levels.

[hypatia]

Yes theres a fine line between genius and insanity

[franznietzsche]

Laugh it up Junior... someday you'll be old and feeble too. (Incidentally, my personal record was 147 hours with 2x 1hour naps and 1x 2hour nap when I was security chief at a convention. Think you can top it? :wink: )


72 hours straight with no sleep of any kind.

Total ten hours of sleep in a whole week.

[Astronuc]

I would like to have a Tibetan sky burial.
Parsees (Zoroastrians in India) hold earth and fire, like the other elements, to be sacred. Rather than pollute the earth by burial or fire by cremation, they place their dead on a grill within an enclosure (called a tower) and leave them to be consumed by vultures. It is an ecologically impeccable practice and of deep emotional significance.

Zoroastrians in Iran had a Dakhma or “Tower of Silence” near Yazd, Iran. Apparently they now opt for burial or cremation.

The body is simply laid out - no hacking.

Barring a funeral like that, one simply needs to expire somewhere in the Western US - plenty of vultures and scavengers.

Or the plains of Africa - even more vultures and scavengers there.

That is certainly something I would consider unless I do my own pyre. I would prefer to choose my own time and place of death - outside - and not in some hospital or hospice ward.

[wasteofo2]

For those of you who don't see the swastika in the Columbia logo, click on this image for a version which makes it a bit clearer

[Astronuc]

Which doesn't look all that different from Sun's logo.

http://www.sun.com/im/sun_logo.gif

[physicsuser]

Which doesn't look all that different from Sun's logo.

http://www.sun.com/im/sun_logo.gif


Didn't Bush work for Hitler or something?

[Evo]

Didn't Bush work for Hitler or something?Yeah, I think I read that in the Politics forum recently. :biggrin:

[Danger]

First I'm food, then I'm fertilizer.
And you started out as an omnivore. On the whole, that's a fairly significant demotion on the food chain.

[Danger]

72 hours straight with no sleep of any kind.

Total ten hours of sleep in a whole week.
You lose! My first nap was at approximately 95 hours; 4 hours total in 6 days. :approve:

[Danger]

Didn't Bush work for Hitler or something?
Hitler might have been nuts, but do you really thing that he'd hire somebody that dumb? :uhh:

[AKG]

It is very much a Tibetan Buddhist symbol. Swastika: commonly seen on home walls or on monastery floors. Meaning good fortune, it symbolizes infinity, universe and sometimes sun and moon. Buddhists draw it clockwise while bon followers draw it anticlockwise. http://www.travelchinaguide.com/cityguides/tibet/religious-symbol.htmI'm not sure what your point is. Tibetan Buddhists do use the symbol; as I mentioned, it's common across many cultures. But the term "Swastika" and Hitler's inspiration came from the Hindu swastika. But I don't know why you'd call it a "Tibetan" symbol. If anything, perhaps you meant "Buddhist" symbol (there are Buddhists outside of Tibet)? Still, it is true that Buddhists use the symbol, but the one they use is not originally Buddhist.

From Wikipedia:The arrival of Indo-European speakers into the Indian subcontinent coincided with the collapse of the Indus Valley Civilization and the rise of the Indo-European Vedic civilization around 1800 BC. The Vedic civilization is so called after the Vedas, the first Hindu texts. The swastika symbol was prominent in this civilization, and was transferred into Hinduism itself. Hinduism is considered the parent religion of Buddhism and Jainism, both dating from about the sixth century BC, and the swastika symbol transferred as well.

[physicsuser]

Hey guys ! has anyone of you have Columbia jacket or shoes ? i'm sure lots of you do then take a look at the logo,don't you think it looks little bit like swastika ?

http://www.firstgov.gov/images/seal.gif

hmmmm

[Danger]

http://www.firstgov.gov/images/seal.gif

hmmmm
Took a while with my crumby monitor, but now that you mention it...

[Janus]

As has already been noted, the swastika was used by many cultures. Prior to and during the Early parts of WWII, Finnish aircraft displayed a blue swastika on a white background as shown in this image of a Hawker Hurricane purchased from Great Briton.
http://www.sci.fi/%7Eambush/faf/hc453.JPG

It was a good luck symbol. After WWII, it was converted to the blue cross on white background of the present Finnish flag.

[franznietzsche]

http://www.firstgov.gov/images/seal.gif

hmmmm


You're just an utter tard, aren't you?

[TheStatutoryApe]

You ever heard of a book called the Spear of Destiny? It's all about where all of hitler's themes came from and.. well I shouldn't give it away, it's a good read. Turns out Hitler was quite the scholar on several levels.
I suggest reading Hitler and the Occult (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0879759739/102-4564671-7756969?v=glance) by Ken Anderson. It debunks the myth of Hitler's involvment in the occult. The Spear of Destiny and it's author Trevor Ravenscroft are one of the authors main targets. It's a very good book in my opinion. And I've been thinking about picking up a copy of The Spear of Destiny for ****s and giggles.

But the term "Swastika" and Hitler's inspiration came from the Hindu swastika.
Now I'll admit that he could be off but according to the book I mention above the swastika was used by several antisemetic organizations long before Hitler and the Nazi party used it. According to the book Hitler did not design the flag himself but several people in the party cabinet drew up ideas which they presented to Hitler all of which contained the image of the swastika. Hitler appearantly took one design in particular and adjusted some minor detail(s) then presented this as his own improved design, supposedly because he still liked to style himself the artist.

[physicsuser]

You're just an utter tard, aren't you?

Uhm, how do you conclude that?

[Danger]

Uhm, how do you conclude that?
Easy lads... neutral corners. Physicsuser, now that Franz has a squeeze, all will be mellow. :smile:

[russ_watters]

Didn't Bush work for Hitler or something? Yes, but he was very young... :biggrin:

[Danger]

Yes, but he was very young... :biggrin:
Shuurrre... Just when I thought that I'd had the last word on everything and could go have some supper, you had to show up... :biggrin: