The Product of Rational Numbers

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around whether the product of two rational numbers is always, never, or sometimes rational. Participants explore definitions and properties of rational numbers, including their representations and behaviors in mathematical operations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the product of two rational numbers is always rational, based on the definition of rational numbers as quotients of integers.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of using definitions to approach proofs, suggesting that writing down definitions is a good first step.
  • Another participant notes that the product of two natural numbers is also a natural number, which supports the argument that the product of two rational numbers remains rational.
  • There is a suggestion to compute both the product and sum of two rational numbers to verify their forms.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

While some participants express confidence that the product of two rational numbers is always rational, there is no explicit consensus reached in the discussion. Some participants remain uncertain and seek further clarification.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the definitions of rational numbers and their properties, but the discussion does not resolve potential assumptions or limitations in the reasoning presented.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying properties of rational numbers, mathematical proofs, or anyone exploring foundational concepts in mathematics.

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I've been grinding my brain at this problem because I am trying to figure out if the product of two rational numbers is always, never, or sometimes rational. a rational number would either have to terminate, or be infinitely periodic, so i would say that the product of two rational numbers is always rational, but i can't say this for sure :(
 
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I can't prove it, but its true.
 
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well thank you, is there any particular reason that you believe it to be true?
 
abbeyofthelema said:
I've been grinding my brain at this problem because I am trying to figure out if the product of two rational numbers is always, never, or sometimes rational. a rational number would either have to terminate, or be infinitely periodic, so i would say that the product of two rational numbers is always rational, but i can't say this for sure :(
Simply use the definition of a rational number.

A rational number can be written in the form:

[tex]\frac{a}{b}[/tex],
with a and b integers and b not equal to zero.

Suppose you have two rational numbers. Compute their product (and their sum while you're at it). Is the result again of the above form?
 
Yes. If you want to try to prove something, then 100% of the time your best bet for a first step is to write down the definitions of the things you're working with :wink:

The fact that rationals happen to be the set of all reals with periodic limiting behaviour in their decimal representations is a derived property. The definition of a rational number is just that it can be represented as a quotient of integers.
 
definitely

that's great. so then the product of two rational numbers must always be rational :)
 
Def:
[tex]\frac{a}{b} ~ , ~ ~ a, b \in \mathbb{N}[/tex]
It's easy to see that a product of two natrual number must be natrual, thus
[tex]\frac{a}{b} ~ * \frac {c}{d} ~ = ~ \frac{ac}{bd}, ~ ~ a, b, c, d \in \mathbb{N}[/tex]
Setting ac to a and bd to b in the def. finish the proof.
 

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