Natural Group Homomorphism in Action

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The discussion revolves around the concept of natural group homomorphisms, exploring its definition, properties, and examples of usage within group theory. The scope includes theoretical aspects and categorical interpretations.

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  • Mary inquires about the definition and examples of natural group homomorphisms.
  • One participant describes a homomorphism as a map between groups that preserves their structure, questioning the necessity of the term "natural" in this context.
  • Another participant suggests that "natural" may refer to projections like G --> G/K and provides an example of a homomorphism from Z to Zp, mapping integers to their corresponding values mod p.
  • A further example is presented involving a group map from Z to a group G, illustrating the induced map from Z/n to G and discussing the naturality property of this construction.
  • The same participant notes that the behavior of the map Z/n under composition with another homomorphism G --> H also exhibits naturality, asserting its truth without verification.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity and implications of the term "natural" in the context of homomorphisms, and while examples are provided, there is no consensus on a singular definition or understanding of natural group homomorphisms.

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Some assumptions about the definitions and properties of homomorphisms may be implicit, and the discussion does not resolve the nuances of the term "natural" as it relates to homomorphisms.

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What is it, and can you give me a few examples of how its used?

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Mary
 
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A homomorphism is simply a map between groups that respects the groupiness of the groups. (I don't know why Natural is there, that has a specific category theoretic definition that isn't necessary at this stage.)

I don't follow what you mean by "used". I could tell you abuot the properties of homomorphisms that are important. We just find them useful. I mean what's the "use" of a surjection, and injection, addition, division. Perhaps if you explain what you wanted to know in terms of how you "use" those then we could say more. 1
 
Maybe by "natural" he means something like the projection G --> G/K?

One example you've probably used quite a bit is the homomorphism from Z to Zp that maps an integer to the corresponding integer mod p.
 
heres a little example comprising both matt's categorical point and hurkyls example.

suppose you have a group map from Z to a group G and suppose that n goes to the identity e. then there is an induced map from Z/n to G such that the composition

Z-->Z/n-->G equals the original map Z-->G.

this is a naturality property of the map Z/n-->G.

Another one is that if G-->H is another group homomorphism, then n will still go to e under the composition Z-->G-->H, and the natrual map Z/n--H will equal the composition Z/n-->G-->H.

the fact that the construction of the map Z/n-->(anything), [factoring the map Z-->(anything)], behaves well under composition, is the categorical naturality property.

It is so natural that I did not bother to check it here, it just has to be true.
 

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