Time it takes to reach equilibrium

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the time it takes for a metal ball at 50°C to reach 200°C when placed in two thermal reservoirs at 300°C and 500°C. Participants explore the relationship between temperature and the rate of heat transfer, questioning whether the time to reach equilibrium is influenced solely by the temperature of the reservoirs or also by the material properties of the ball.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that heat transfer is a function of the temperature difference between the metal ball and the reservoir, suggesting that the ball will warm faster in the hotter environment.
  • Others reference Newton's law of cooling, indicating that heat moves from the hotter environment to the cooler one at a rate proportional to the temperature difference.
  • A participant requests the formula for heat transfer, leading to a discussion of the relevant equations, including the rate of heat transfer and the heat density.
  • One participant emphasizes that if the reservoir were at 200°C, it would take an infinitely long time for the ball to reach that temperature, suggesting a relationship between the temperature gradient and the time to reach equilibrium.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the temperature difference influences the rate of heat transfer, but there is no consensus on whether the time to reach 200°C is solely dependent on the reservoir temperature or also on the material properties of the ball.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the assumptions regarding the material properties of the ball or the specific conditions under which heat transfer occurs. The relationship between temperature and time to reach equilibrium remains partially undefined.

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Ok let's say i have a metal ball at 50 C and 2 thermal reservoirs at 300 C and 500 C.

Will the metal ball reach 200C faster in the 300C or 500C reservoir? (Sorry the title name is misleading). Basically, the question is there a relation between temperature and the time it takes to transfer energy or is the tim relationship only dependent on the type of material being used?
 
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Hint: What if one reservoir were at 200 degrees. How long would it take for the ball to get to 200 degrees?
 
Thats what i want to know and i want to know the relationship to the temperature. Will the ball reach 200 faster in a 300C reservoir or a 500C reservoir? Or is the time it takes only dependent on the materials used.
 
Heat transfer is always a function of the difference in temperature, so given a ball at 50 C, if the only difference is environment temperature, it will warm faster in the hotter environment.
 
Newton's law of cooling (or heating): Heat moves from the hotter environment to the cooler at a rate proportional to the difference in temperatures. In this case, the heat moves from the reservoir to the metal ball at a rate proportional to the difference in temperatures: heat moves faster from the higher temperature environment and so the ball heats faster.
 
Whats the formula for this?
 
[tex]q = h*a \Delta T[/tex] where:

q = rate of heat transfer (watts usually)
h = heat transfer coefficient (in w/m^2*K)
a = effective area (m^2)
Delta T = temperature difference (K)

You may also see it in the form of:
[tex]q'' = h \Delta T[/tex] where:

q'' = heat density in W/m^2
 
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Pengwuino said:
Thats what i want to know and i want to know the relationship to the temperature. Will the ball reach 200 faster in a 300C reservoir or a 500C reservoir? Or is the time it takes only dependent on the materials used.
You missed the point of jdavel's hint. If the reservoir itself is at exactly 200C, it will take an infinitely long time to reach 200C. So, is that not indicative of what your answer should be ?

The shape of the heating/cooling curve is an exponential growth/decay. The driving force is the temperature gradient.
 

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