Unit Step Function and Laplace Transforms

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The discussion revolves around the application of the Laplace transform, particularly in relation to the unit step function and its effect on trigonometric functions. Participants are examining the correctness of specific transformations and comparing their results with those found in textbooks.

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  • Participants explore the Laplace transform of functions involving the unit step function, questioning the validity of different approaches and results. There is discussion about the implications of periodicity in trigonometric functions and the interpretation of dummy variables in integrals.

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The conversation includes various perspectives on the correctness of the original poster's calculations and the solutions provided in textbooks. Some participants express confusion over the definitions and transformations used, while others provide clarifications and alternative viewpoints. There is no clear consensus, but several productive lines of inquiry are being explored.

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Participants note discrepancies between their results and those in solution manuals, raising concerns about potential errors in the textbooks. The discussion also touches on the treatment of dummy variables in integrals and the implications of transformations on function definitions.

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Hey

I was wondering if someone would check my work on this problem:

Note:
[tex]{\cal L}[/tex] = Laplace
[tex]{\cal U}[/tex] = Unit Step Function


[tex]{\cal L} \{ \cos(2t) \,\,\, {\cal U} (t - \pi)\}[/tex]

[tex]=e^{-\pi s} {\cal L} \{ \cos(2(t + \pi)) \}[/tex]

[tex]=e^{-\pi s} {\cal L} \{ \cos(2t + 2\pi) \}[/tex]

[tex]=e^{-\pi s} {\cal L} \{ \cos(2t) \}[/tex]

[tex]=\frac{se^{-\pi s}}{s^2+4}[/tex]


Can anyone help me with this problem:

[tex]{\cal L} \{ \sin(t) \,\,\, {\cal U} (t - \pi/2)\}[/tex]

[tex]=e^{-\frac{\pi s}{2}} {\cal L} \{ \sin(t + \pi / 2) \}[/tex]

[tex]=e^{-\frac{\pi s}{2}} {\cal L} \{ \cos(t) \}[/tex]

[tex]=\frac{s \, e^{-\frac{\pi s}{2}}}{s^2 + 1}[/tex]

But this is different from the books published answer (in the exponential, they do not have it divived by two, they just have e^(-pi*s)...but the rest of it the same...also the solution manual did the problem differently, it changed the sin(t) to cos(t - pi/2)...but then wouldn't that just convert back to sin(t)? Anyways...it skips a lot of work and just ends up with the answer after that step
 
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First one is correct.

[tex]{\cal L}\{ \cos(t - \pi / 2) u(t - \pi / 2) \} = e^{-\frac{\pi}{2}s}{\cal L}\{\cos \left( (t+\pi /2) - \pi /2\right)\} = e^{-\frac{\pi}{2}s}{\cal L}\{\cos{t}\} = \frac{e^{-\frac{\pi}{2}s}s}{s^2+1}[/tex]
 
oh, I edited my post as you posted that...so is the books answer wrong then?
 
your answer is correct...

Sounds like the author of the solutions manual was having a bad day.
 
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ok, thanks
 
ok, I am confused on the end of the proof of the Second Translation Theorem

If you go to this link (just a link I found that has the proof so I don't have to type it all in LaTeX):

http://umath.nuk.edu.tw/~scnet/CourseModule/Class/DE/download/04_DE_Huang.pdf

Then go to PAGE 20

That is the page with the end of the proof.,..what I don't understand is this part:

[tex]=e^{-as}\int_0^\infty{e^{sv} \, f(v) \, dv}[/tex]

[tex]=e^{-as}{\cal L}\{ f(t) \}[/tex]

Isn't that integral the definition of the Laplace transform of f(v), not f(t)?? I don't understand why it is the Laplace of t instead of the transformed variable v.

Thanks for any help!
 
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Actually I think the first one is wrong. When you say L{cos(2t+2pi)} you implicitly mean L{f(t)} where f(t) = cos(2t+2pi) for t>0 and 0 for t<0. This is not the same as g(t) = cos(2t) for t>0 and 0 for t<0. This could be obtained by doing another translation. Do you have an answer for this problem?

Regarding your last post, v and t are just dummy variables and can be interchanged. I'm not exactly sure why they used v in the first place, but maybe they explain it somewhere else.
 
it is explained as to why v is there, it was used in a transformation:

v = t - a

This was done to make it to correct for of a Laplace transformation
 
It's not the Laplace transform of anything, the way it's written (I assume you missed a minus sign! :smile:).

Once corrected, it's really the Laplace transform of the function [itex]f[/itex]. The argument is irrelevant. Note that

[tex]\int_0^\infty f(t)e^{-st} \ dt = \int_0^\infty e^{-sv}f(v) \ dv = \int_0^\infty e^{-s\asymp}f(\asymp}) \ d\asymp.[/tex]

The [itex]t[/itex], [itex]v[/itex], and [itex]\asymp[/itex] are just "dummy variables."

Your textbook undoubtedly actually has many mistakes in it, because of this. By their own definition,

[tex]{\cal L}\{f(t - a)\} = {\cal L}\{f(t)\}[/tex]

for every real [itex]a[/itex]. What they really mean when they look at [itex]{\cal L}\{f(t-a)\}[/itex], of course, is [itex]{\cal L}\{g(t)\}[/itex] where [itex]g(t) = f(t-a)[/itex].
 
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As for your comment about my first problem posted, I had already accounted for the Unit Step function when I pulled out the exponential and plugged in t - pi into the cos function
 
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So is this true:

[tex]{\cal L}\{ f(t + a) \} = {\cal L}\{ f(t) \}[/tex]

For any real number a?
 
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Actually I think the first one is wrong. When you say L{cos(2t+2pi)} you implicitly mean L{f(t)} where f(t) = cos(2t+2pi) for t>0 and 0 for t<0. This is not the same as g(t) = cos(2t) for t>0 and 0 for t<0. This could be obtained by doing another translation. Do you have an answer for this problem?

It's right, because [itex]\cos[/itex] is [itex]2\pi[/itex]-periodic. Otherwise you would be right.
 
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I'm sorry, I'm probably too tired to be trying to help.
 
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So is this true:

[tex]{\cal L}\{f(t - a)\} = {\cal L}\{f(t)\}[/tex]

For any real number a?

Yes. But that isn't what your textbook means when it says [itex]{\cal L}\{f(t - a)\}[/itex]. As I said, it has many "errors" in it as a result.

Recall the definition of the Laplace transform,

[tex]{\cal L}\{f(t)\} = \int_0^\infty f(t)e^{-st} \ dt.[/tex]

and thus

[tex]{\cal L}\{f(t - a)\} = \int_0^\infty f(t-a)e^{-s(t-a)} \ d(t-a).[/tex]

This integral is the same one as in the definition (note that it is now [itex]d(t-a)[/itex]!), with the dummy variable changed from [itex]t[/itex] to [itex]t-a[/itex].

This is NOT what your textbook means when it says [itex]{\cal L}\{f(t - a)\}[/itex], though, and this is why they have made errors (unless they have some cleverly hidden fine print somewhere :wink:).

What your textbook actually means by [itex]{\cal L}\{f(t - a)\}[/itex] is

[tex]\int_0^\infty f(t-a)e^{-st} \ dt,[/tex]

which is not the same thing (note we now have just [itex]dt[/itex], and the exponent on the [itex]e[/itex] has changed!).
 
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Good. I should have pointed out the mathematical resolution to this apparent conundrum (no, current math isn't ultimately totally inconsistent!):

instead define

[tex]{\cal L}\{u\} = \int_0^\infty u e^{-st} \ dt[/tex]

while the difference doesn't look too big, it's pretty important... when you want [itex]{\cal L}\{u\}[/itex] for any [itex]u[/itex], just throw it into that position in the integral.
 
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ok, thanks
 

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