Mixed Derivative in Differential Equations: Analytical and Numerical Solutions

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The discussion revolves around the challenges of solving differential equations (DEs) that involve mixed derivatives, specifically focusing on both analytical and numerical solutions. Participants explore the implications of mixed derivatives in the context of a specific equation and seek methods for simplification and solution.

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  • One participant presents a differential equation involving mixed derivatives and expresses concern about its complexity, suggesting that constants may be necessary for unit consistency.
  • Another participant corrects the first by emphasizing the need for constants in the equation to ensure dimensional consistency.
  • One participant proposes that mixed derivatives can be transformed into non-mixed derivatives by rotating the coordinate system and using eigen-vectors derived from a matrix of second derivative coefficients.
  • A different participant suggests simplifying the problem by first analyzing a two-dimensional version of the equation, asking for proposed methods to solve it under various initial and boundary conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to solve the mixed derivative equation, and multiple competing views on methods and simplifications remain evident throughout the discussion.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the solvability of the original equation and the implications of mixed derivatives. There are also unresolved questions about the specific conditions under which solutions may be found.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying differential equations, particularly in contexts involving mixed derivatives, as well as researchers looking for both analytical and numerical solution strategies.

Gonzolo
Hi, has anyone here ever seen anything like this?

f = f(x,y,t)
g = g(x,y,t)

[tex]\frac{ \partial^{2}{f} }{ \partial {y}\partial {t} } } + <br /> \frac{ \partial^{2}{f} }{ \partial {x}\partial {t} } }+<br /> \frac{\partial{f}}{\partial{t}}+<br /> \frac{\partial{f}}{\partial{y}}+<br /> \frac{\partial{f}}{\partial{x}}+f = g[/tex]

Personnally, my blood pressure has begun to drop dangerously. You can drop in a real constant by each term. Any info or sites on DE's with mixed derivatives would be helpful. Can any DE with mixed derivatives at all be solved analytically? A good direction for numerical solving would be helpful too.

If it's as satanic as it first seems, I'll probably do approximations to simplify my model.

Thanks.
 
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Actually, the units don't work without the constants, so it should be :

[tex]C_1\frac{ \partial^{2}{f} }{ \partial {y}\partial {t} } } + C_2\frac{ \partial^{2}{f} }{ \partial {x}\partial {t} } }+C_3\frac{\partial{f}}{\partial{t}}+C_4\frac{\partial{f}}{\partial{y}}+C_5\frac{\partial{f}}{\partial{x}}+C_6f = g[/tex]

g(x,y,t) is known
Finding f(x,y,t) is the problem.
 
It is always possible, by rotating the coordinate system, to convert mixed derivatives to 'non-mixed' derivatives. One way is to set up the second derivative coefficients as a matrix and find the eigen-vectors. Those should be the new axes.
 
Yea, Gonzolo, I'd like to see that one solved too. However, I think a good approach is to first analyze it in just 2-D. You know, look first at f(x,y) and g(x,y):

[tex]\frac{\partial^2f}{\partial x\partial y}+\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}+f=g[/tex]

I mean, just any solution, any initial condition, any boundary conditions. Can anyone here propose a method for solving this one?
 

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