Troubleshooting a System of Linear Equations

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around troubleshooting a system of linear equations represented in both standard form and augmented matrix form. Participants are exploring the process of reducing the matrix to row echelon form and identifying potential errors in their calculations. The focus is on finding general solutions and understanding the implications of the results obtained from the matrix reduction.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses frustration over not being able to find a correct answer for the system of equations and shares their attempts at reducing the matrix.
  • Another participant asserts that a mistake was made in the matrix reduction, suggesting a specific solution instead of a general one.
  • A participant questions the assertion of a unique solution, arguing that their reduction indicates infinitely many solutions.
  • Another participant identifies an error in the original post regarding the coefficients for z, proposing a corrected general solution based on their interpretation of the equations.
  • The original poster acknowledges the mistake pointed out and expresses relief at having the error identified.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is disagreement regarding the nature of the solutions to the system of equations. Some participants believe there is a unique solution, while others maintain that there are infinitely many solutions based on their matrix reductions. The discussion remains unresolved as participants explore different interpretations and calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants' calculations depend on the accuracy of their matrix reduction steps, and there are indications of missing assumptions or misinterpretations of the equations. The discussion highlights the complexity of reaching a consensus on the correct approach to solving the system.

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I'm hoping someone can come along and give me a tap on the head for being so silly, but I've been trying this problem *all day* and i just can't seem to get a correct answer, even when checked with other people, we're all stumped! What we have:

[itex]3x - 2y + 5z = 0[/itex]
[itex]x + y + 5z = 5[/itex]
[itex]x - 2y - z = -4[/itex]

I've then put this into an augmented matrix, and converted to reduce row echelon form which gives me these equations:

[itex]x + z = 2[/itex]
[itex]y + z = 3[/itex]

So I try a general solution set as (t, 1+t, 2-t) however it doesn't seem to work with the equations at the beginning. so i looked at what i'd written and went back a step before row echelon form which has these equations:

[itex]x + y + 5z = 5[/itex]
[itex]y + z = 3[/itex]

Giving a solution set of (4t-10, t, 3-t) but still this doesn't seem to be consistent. Any ideas where I am going wrong? Thanks :)
 
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You made a mistake reducing your matrix.

You should get x = 0 , y = 5/3 z = 2/3.
 
Hmm, are you sure? Because the question asks for the "general solutions" rather than any specific one. According to the way i reduced my matrix, there are infinitely many solutions. I'll have a go at typing out what I've done:

[itex]\left(\begin{array}{ccc|c}3&-2&5&0\\1&1&5&5\\1&-2&-1&-4\end{array}\right)[/itex]

R1 <-> R2

[itex]\left(\begin{array}{ l c c | r } 1 & 1 & 5 & 5 \\ 3 & -2 & 5 & 0 \\ 1 & -2 & -1 & -4 \end{array}\right)[/itex]

R2 -> R2 - 3R1
R3 -> R3 - R1

[itex]\left(\begin{array}{ccc|c}1&1&5&5\\0&-5&-10&-15\\0&-3&-6&-9\end{array}\right)[/itex]

R2 -> -1/5 x R2
R3 -> -1/3 x R3

[itex]\left(\begin{array}{ccc|c}1&1&5&5\\0&1&2&3\\0&1&2&3\end{array}\right)[/itex]

R3 -> R3 - R2
R1 -> R1 - R2

[itex]\left(\begin{array}{ccc|c}1&0&3&2\\0&1&2&3\\0&0&0&0\end{array}\right)[/itex]

Sorry for the dodgy formatting..it doesn't seem to like me..hope that made sense though? If anyone knows how to stop it cutting off the top of the numbers then that would be great :)
 
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Well there's your problem. In your original post you dropped the coefficients for z.
So you have x+3z =2, y+2z=3, z=t. So x=2-3t, y=3-2t, z=t.
 
I can't believe i didnt see that :smile: I knew i must've done something silly! Thanks for pointing that stupid mistake out...i think i'll go crawl in a hole now :biggrin:
 

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