Sun Rise Laser Cannon Aiming - Unraveling the Mystery

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the question of how to aim a laser cannon at the sun to hit it dead center from a specific point on Earth. It explores the theoretical and practical considerations involved in such a task, including various physical effects that would influence the laser's trajectory.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the need to account for the time delay of approximately 8.5 minutes for light to travel from the sun to Earth, suggesting that the sun's motion during this time must be considered.
  • Another participant highlights atmospheric refraction, indicating that the sun's apparent position is altered due to the bending of light in the atmosphere, which would affect the laser beam differently based on its wavelength.
  • A participant mentions the effect of aberration, which shifts the sun's apparent position due to Earth's motion, similar to considerations in measuring stellar parallaxes.
  • General Relativity effects are also brought up, with a participant stating that the light beam would follow a geodesic in spacetime rather than a straight line in space, although the impact is expected to be minimal.
  • One participant suggests that to find the exact spot to aim the laser, one would need an accurate ephemeris, precise location data, and knowledge of the laser's wavelength and intensity, along with the appropriate equations.
  • Another participant questions the definition of "the sun's dead center," indicating that this could complicate the calculations further.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that multiple factors must be considered when aiming a laser at the sun, but there is no consensus on the exact calculations or methods to achieve this aim. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of how to determine the precise aiming point.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the need for precise definitions of terms like "the sun's dead center," the dependence on accurate measurements and calculations, and the complexity introduced by various physical effects that could alter the laser's path.

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ok...

So, we see the sun everyday, right?

So let's say you are standing on one point of the Earth looking at the sun rise... At where must you point a laser cannon in order to hit the sun dead centre? and why? :confused:
 
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I won't do the calculation, but several effects come to mind:

1) Time delay - It takes about 8.5 minutes for light to reach the sun from here, so you'd have to take the sun's motion during that time into account.
2) Atmospheric refraction - The sun's actual position is shifted from the apparent one by the bending of its light in the atmosphere. Although the laser beam would be bent as well, this bending is wavelength-dependent, so the shift wouldn't be the same. Also, the Earth would be at a different point in its orbit when the laser's light was bent, so the path would be slightly different.
3) Aberration - The sun's apparent position is shifted due to the Earth's motion. This is the same effect that has to be considered when measuring stellar parallaxes.
4) GR effects - The light beam will follow a geodesic in spacetime, not a straight path in space. The difference should be very small, but non-zero.

In other words, you couldn't just point the beam at the center. I think that would get you pretty close, though.
 
ok...thx spaceTiger
but is there a way to find the exact spot eg:how much cm/metres to the centre of the sun?
 
Yes there is; for starters you need an accurate ephemeris, your own position on the Earth (accurately), the wavelength of the laser (in the laser cannon, and probably its intensity), all the right equations, and a means of doing the calculations.

In addition to the effects SpaceTiger mentioned, you may also need to consider how the path of the light will be affected traversing the Sun' corona, chromosphere, and upper photosphere. There's also the question of what "the sun['s] dead centre" actually is!
 
gunblaze said:
but is there a way to find the exact spot eg:how much cm/metres to the centre of the sun?

You could theoretically perform such a calculation, but I wouldn't recommend it unless you had a really good reason. You could define an exact center of mass (in the classical limit), but again, this would be really messy.
 

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