Joe's Question: Nitrogen Organic Structure Property

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the structural properties of a substance with the molecular formula C7H7O2N, based on its reactivity and interactions with other chemicals. Participants explore the implications of its reactions with sodium carbonate, copper (II) cations, and its resistance to addition reactions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Joe suggests that the reaction of substance A with sodium carbonate to release CO2 might indicate an ionic structure.
  • Daniel proposes that ortho/meta/para aminobenzoic acid could be a candidate for substance A, noting its acidic nature and ability to react with carbonate to release CO2.
  • Daniel also mentions that the formation of a colored complex with copper (II) cations could be expected from this candidate.
  • Joe expresses uncertainty about what the formation of a colored complex with copper (II) suggests.
  • There is a suggestion that the presence of two functional groups on a benzene ring could explain the difficulty in undergoing addition reactions.
  • Another participant encourages Joe to search for more information on chemfinder, indicating a need for further research.
  • A later reply critiques the initial assumptions about the connection between CO2 release and ionicity, suggesting a more pedagogical approach to understanding acidity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views regarding the structural properties of substance A, with no consensus reached on the implications of its reactivity or the correct identification of the substance.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the relationship between the observed reactions and the structural characteristics of the substance, as well as the definitions of terms like "ionic structure" and "addition reactions."

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Hi ppl, I have this question. I have the MF of a substance A : C7H7O2N. I have three pieces of info which should indicate a structural property of this substance:i) A reacts with sodium carbonate to give off CO2. I thought this might indicate an ionic structure? then ii) A will form a coloured complex ion with copper (II) cations. I didn't know what this suggested really I'm afraid and finally:iii) A is unable to undergo addition reactions easily. Could someone help me with this?

Thanks, Joe
 
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Ortho/meta/para aminobenzoic acid is a candidate...It's an acid,gives off [itex]CO_{2}[/itex] when reacted with a carbonate.It should precipitate copper.As for addition,i think those 2 groups to a benzene cycle could account for it...

Daniel.
 
search chemfinder to get some suggestions, and make a follow up here...show some effort.

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dextercioby said:
Ortho/meta/para aminobenzoic acid is a candidate...It's an acid,gives off [itex]CO_{2}[/itex] when reacted with a carbonate.It should precipitate copper.As for addition,i think those 2 groups to a benzene cycle could account for it...

Well, here you spoilt the opportunity to first pedagogically ask why the poster connects the release of CO2 to ionicity, followed by a discussion (trying to make the poster learn by being confused since we ask him/her if he/she really believes in a certain thing - or in the opposite :devil: ) which then eventually and hopefully could lead to a conclusion that the substance might very well be acidic. :mad:
The other things are less elementary, though.
 

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