How mass can curve space?

[Michael Dmitriyev]

The accepted point of view since Einstein's times is mass curve the space.
I think more correct point is
curved spacetime is mass itself.
Thanks for your opinions.
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[James R]

Can you show me the mathematical formulation of your theory?

For example, how does a mass of 1 kg differ from a mass of 2 kg? How do I calculate the gravitational effects of each?

[bahamut]

Spacetime and mass are totally different.I think.....

[<<<GUILLE>>>]

from your supersition, then a not-curved space time is no mass so it's photons? or what?

and, then what do you call the thing that causes mass? or spacetime? you are actually saying yhat gravity is the force that gives mass, when it's the higgs bosons and field what is supposed to do this.

[Mark Walker]

I thought gravity curved space-time and matter was effected by the curvature.

[pervect]

The accepted point of view since Einstein's times is mass curve the space.
I think more correct point is
curved spacetime is mass itself.
Thanks for your opinions.


How would you experimentally test to see which formulation is correct? I'm not quite sure what distinction you are trying to draw, much less why you think that your interpretationis better. An experiment that distinguishes between your formulation and the traditional one would clear up a lot of questions.

[Michael Dmitriyev]

Thanks for replies.
I hope this post will answer on some of your questions.

First of all, I do not cancel concept of mass. I do not cancel existing set of experimental data too. I show here an origin of this phenomenon.
So for usual (practical) calculations it is possible to use the existing math with one amendment. This amendment does not change the result of calculations but takes into account an origin of this phenomenon.
Gravitation force has 1/d^2 dependence on a distance, it is not 1/d.
This mean that spacetime has nonlinear structure and gravitation force equal to

{G (4pi)}* M1*M2/(4pi)r^2
Here (4pi)r^2 is a square of sphere with radius r.

This determined by dynamic geometry of spacetime, there a real object submitted as {0(t), 1(t), 2(t),… n(t)} instead of {x, y, z, t}
Here 0,1,2,3 ….n are dimensions.
0(t) – dynamic point .It has two conditions 1 (existence) and 0 (unexistence).
1(t) – dynamic line
2(t) – dynamic circle
3(t) - dynamic sphere
This is a basic dynamically drawn figure.
Further follows
4(t), (5t) …n(t) - dynamic sphere of next level which include spheres of previous level as a points.

So spacetime has a complex structure. This is a set of enclosed spheres.

A basic figure may have transformations such as sinusoid, spiral, dumbbell, the truncated sphere etc.
This depend on value of restriction of each dimension inside a sphere.

The combination of dimension may have also such value as
3/3 = 1 - 3 of 3
2/3 - 2 of 3
1/3 - 1 of 3
Really this numbers 1, 2/3 and 1/3 are well known to physicist.
Is it so?

To be continued.

Michael

[pmb_phy]

The accepted point of view since Einstein's times is mass curve the space.
I think more correct point is
curved spacetime is mass itself.
I disagree. Why do you believe so. There is nothing to suggest such a thing. That's like saying that my bedspread and my butt are the same exact thing since when I sit on my bedspread when it is on my bed it curves the bedspread/mattress. I'd say that was wrong too.

However you should note that the presence of spacetime curvature in a region of spacetime does not require the presence of mass in that same region. E.g. spacetime outside the region occupied by the earth is curved - yet there is no mass there.

Pete

[Danger]

E.g. spacetime outside the region occupied by the earth is curved - yet there is no mass there.
In a way. Gravity is one of the only forces with no known counterforce, although it diminishes as the square of the distance from the centre of the originating mass. All of spacetime is therefore curved in manifold ways from all of the masses that reside in it.
As I understand it, an energy density equivalent to a particular mass will cause the same spacetime curvature that the mass itself would. (Hint to Mentors: I'd really like some clarification on that myself.)

[LindaGarrette]

As I understand it, an energy density equivalent to a particular mass will cause the same spacetime curvature that the mass itself would. (Hint to Mentors: I'd really like some clarification on that myself.) I'm not a mentor, just a new member with a question. How can an energy density be equivalent to mass without being mass itself? Linda

[James R]

Linda,

I think Danger should have said "energy equivalent to a particular mass", not "energy density".

E=mc^2

[Danger]

I think Danger should have said "energy equivalent to a particular mass", not "energy density".

E=mc^2
Yeah, that's what I meant. The lack of education occassionally leads me to use the wrong terms for things. What I was thinking of is the sort of thing that happens when a particle accelerator reaches such high energy levels that new, heavier particles spontaneously form.

[Michael Dmitriyev]

Take a look at mine post above (#7) attentively, please.

Michael

[Michael Dmitriyev]

Now we’ll look what may be inside of the spheres.
The sphere of the first level (base) is a sphere of subatomic structures.
It dynamically reproduces (draws) figures which are named quarks.
They can have a charge 2/3 or 1/3 depending on restriction of dimension. In a case of restriction of two dimension a charge is equal 2/3 and in case of full restriction of one dimension it is equal 1/3. To these values of a charge meets such a figures as sinusoid or a spiral (for 2/3) and a circle or an ellipse (for 1/3).
So,
the charge is a curvature of spacetime in two dimension at partial or full restriction of the third one.
Presence of the third dimension at a figure is an attribute of mass.

Mass this curvature of spacetime in three dimensions.

The quark having the form of a spiral has mass too.
The sphere of the first level is the generator of subatomic structures which correspond to Bose-Einstein's condensate.

To be continued.


Michael