Three-Body Problem: Is it Solvable in Same Plane?

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The discussion centers on the solvability of the three-body problem, particularly when the three bodies are constrained to move in the same plane. Participants explore the implications of coplanarity on the problem's complexity and potential solutions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the three-body problem remains unsolvable when the bodies are coplanar.
  • One participant asserts that the three bodies define their own plane, but their movements need not be coplanar, suggesting a distinction between the defined plane and the actual motion.
  • Another participant proposes that the three-body problem can be solved under specific conditions, such as the restricted three-body problem where one mass is small and the other two are in circular orbits around their common center of mass.
  • It is noted that there are special cases, like the "Lagrange position," where the problem may have solutions, and that numerical methods, including perturbation theory, have historically been used to address the problem.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of the three-body problem and its solvability, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific definitions and assumptions about the nature of the bodies and their movements, and the discussion does not resolve the mathematical complexities involved.

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Is the three-body problem still unsolvable even when the three bodies are located in the same plane?
 
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The three body problem, in which the three bodies are not in the same plane, is so incredibly difficult that it is widely belived to have no solution.

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You can't have three bodies 'not in the same plane'. They define their own plane.
 
rachmaninoff said:
You can't have three bodies 'not in the same plane'. They define their own plane.

but their movement need not be coplanar. the plane defined by the instantaneous position of the 3 bodies will be movin' all over the place.

r b-j
 
duh! I was not thinking - apologies.

-rachmaninoff
 
rachmaninoff said:
duh! I was not thinking - apologies.

-rachmaninoff
I wasn't thinking either actually, but yeah, what I meant is: can the 3-body problem be solved if the movement of the three bodies is coplanar? (like, when the plane defined by the three bodies isn't rotating)
 
You might try looking at

http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/RestrictedThree-BodyProblem.html

for some general info on the three body problem.

If you don't mind a series solution that takes 10^8000000 terms to converge :-), there is a solution to the restricted 3-body problem. The restricted three body problem is the coplanar three body problem when one of the masses is small and a circular orbit for the two "large" masses around their common COM.
 
The 3B problem is only solvable for some special cases.
For instance, what I think is called the "Lagrange position" with another planet directly opposite the Earth on the other side of the Sun.
Of course, numerical solution is always possible (often using perturbation theory),
and has been used for centuries to predict eclipses.
 

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