The notion of continuity applied to sets

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The discussion revolves around defining the concept of continuity as it applies to sets, particularly in the context of topology. Participants explore various definitions, implications, and examples, including homeomorphisms and dimensionality, while considering both finite and infinite-dimensional spaces.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that a set S is continuous if it is homeomorphic to intervals like [0,1], (0,1], or (0,1), but questions whether this definition is comprehensive.
  • Another participant asserts that in the context of subsets of R, continuous sets correspond to simply connected sets and notes that [0,1] x [0,1] cannot be homeomorphic to [0,1] due to dimensionality constraints.
  • A participant expands the discussion to include any topological space, suggesting that connected subsets of R are automatically continuous by being homeomorphic to intervals.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of dimensionality being a topological property, with one participant expressing disappointment over the lack of a continuous inverse for space-filling curves.
  • Another participant questions the utility of defining continuous sets as homeomorphic to Cartesian products of closed intervals, suggesting that this may limit their application.
  • One participant speculates on the potential classification of continuous sets within topological spaces and raises the question of whether continuous sets are automatically metrizable.
  • There is mention of piecewise continuous sets, where each connected component is continuous, and the potential implications for mappings from such sets.
  • A participant introduces a specific problem regarding the continuity of the power set of binary sequences under a nontrivial topology, indicating an area of ongoing inquiry.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions and implications of continuity in sets, with no consensus reached on a singular definition or its applications. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the nature of continuity in various contexts.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations related to dimensionality and the properties of topological spaces, but these remain unresolved within the discussion.

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i'm trying to define what it would mean for a set to be continuous.

what i'd like to say is that S is continuous if it is homeomorphic to [0,1], (0,1], or (0,1). (perhaps that's redundant already?)

but I'm not sure if that captures all the sets i'd like to think of as continuous. my main dilema is whether or not [0,1]x[0,1] would be continuous. is [0,1]^2 homeomorphic to [0,1]? i know there is a continuous "space filling curve" that maps [0,1] onto [0,1]^2 but I'm not sure it has a continuous inverse. does it?

if not, then the definition would be that S is continuous if it is homeomorphic to I^n, where I is some interval and n is a cardinal number. in this definition, the infinite dimensional hypercube [0,1]^[0,1] is included so that infinite dimensional manifolds could be classified as continuous or not.
 
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If you stick to subsets of R1 then it looks to me like your "continuous sets" are simply connected sets.

There is no homeomorphism between [0,1]x[0,1] and [0,1]. For one thing, homeomorphic subsets of R<sup>n</sup> must have the same dimension.
 
i would be talking about any sets with a topology, not just subsets of R. in R, the only connected sets are (potentially collapsed) intervals, right? so it's automatic that a connected subset of R would be continuous by the requirement that it be homeomorphic to an interval.

is that really the case that dimension is a topological property? i didn't know that. that's good to know. i guess that means the space filling curve has no inverse that is continuous. I'm saddened by that, actually.

yeah, then that being the case, i'd have to say that if S is a subset of T, where (T, t) is a topological space, then S is a continuous set of T if S is homeomorphic to I^n, where n is a set with positive cardinality (such as 1, 2, or even [0,1] for hilbert cube type-thingies) and I is an interval that is open, closed, or half open.

yes or no: there is an uber-manifold in which all other manifolds can be embedded.
 
So your definition of "continuous" is homeomorphic to some cartesian product of closed real intervals. OK, and what is your proposed use for these? Aside from the compactness, they seem to be pretty simple and limited. Consider manifolds, locally homeomorphic to a cartesian product of open real intervls (with a matching condition on the intersections).
 
I can be open, half-open, or closed. if closed, then S would be compact, yes. a continuous set is not necessarily compact.

use? description. just another adjective to put in front of subsets of topological spaces. i don't know what kind of "theory" might come out of it. maybe within certain kinds of topological spaces, the subsets that are continuous will automatically divide into different classes based on further properties. I'm wondering if continuous sets are automatically metrizable, which would suggest that non-metrizable spaces are automatically discontinuous.

then you can have piecewise continuous, which would probably mean each connected component is continuous. i don't know, maybe certain things can be said in general about maps from (piecewise) continuous sets...

the actually problem I'm addressing is whether or not the power set of binary sequences under a nontrivial topology (i don't have a particular one in mind yet) is continuous.
 

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