Does Laser Light Bend Near Large Masses Like Starlight?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around whether laser light bends in the presence of large masses, similar to how starlight bends. Participants explore the implications of light's directionality and the nature of photons in relation to gravitational effects on light paths.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that laser light, consisting of photons traveling in the same direction, would follow a similar path to starlight when influenced by a large mass, assuming the initial direction is the same.
  • Others argue that while starlight photons come from various directions, they all follow the shortest path through curved space, leading to different trajectories based on their initial directions.
  • A participant questions whether light waves cause space to vibrate and if this could lead to different behaviors for starlight and laser light, suggesting a potential for interference.
  • One participant asserts that space does not vibrate, countering the idea of light waves being similar to surface waves on water.
  • Another participant emphasizes that light follows a geodesic, which is a path of extremal length, and clarifies that this concept differs from Euclidean distance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that if photons from a star and a laser are traveling in the same initial direction, they would follow the same path. However, there is disagreement regarding the implications of light's nature and the concept of space vibrating, as well as the definition of geodesics.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the nature of light and its interaction with space-time, including assumptions about the behavior of photons and the definition of geodesics.

Tyloki
I understand that the path of light from a Star bends when it moves beside a large mass.

My question is this:

Does the path of Laser Light bend when it moves beside a large mass, and if so, does it bend in the same way the light from a star bends?

I'm curious to know if the fact that light from a star goes in all directions makes any difference on the way the light travels when it meets a planet or other large mass.
 
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Originally posted by Tyloki
I'm curious to know if the fact that light from a star goes in all directions makes any difference on the way the light travels when it meets a planet or other large mass.
Each individual photon will follow the shortest possible path through the curved space. If the photons all have different initial directions, as from a nearby star, they will all follow different paths through the space.

Laser light, on the other hand, consists of photons all going in the same direction, and thus all the photons will follow virtually the same trajectory through the curved space.

- Warren
 
Basically, if we were to follow a single photon from a star and a single photon from a laser, the 2 would follow the same path when traveling around a large plant?

I'm asking because I'm curious about the nature of light with respect to space-time. Do light waves cause Space to vibrate, and if so, are those waves in any way similar to the waves on the surface of a puddle? If they are, is it at all possible that the mass would cause some sort of interference that would cause the photons from star light to move in a different way than the ones from a laser?
 
Originally posted by Tyloki
Basically, if we were to follow a single photon from a star and a single photon from a laser, the 2 would follow the same path when traveling around a large plant?
Assuming the two photons are traveling the same initial direction, yes.
Do light waves cause Space to vibrate, and if so, are those waves in any way similar to the waves on the surface of a puddle?
No, space does not vibrate.

- Warren
 
I fail to see the difference in Photons that come from a star and from a laser...so if the protons are the same then how could their travel be different along the same path? yes? no? do I not have the full idea of a laser or of a proton?
 
Originally posted by Coughlan
I fail to see the difference in Photons that come from a star and from a laser...
Exactly correct. Assuming they are traveling in the same direction initially, the photons from either source would follow the same path.

- Warren
 


Originally posted by chroot
Each individual photon will follow the shortest possible path through the curved space. If the photons all have different initial directions, as from a nearby star, they will all follow different paths through the space.
That is not exactly correct. Light follows a geodesci i.e. a path of extremal length. In the case of light that extremal length is always zero. However this is not a Eucledian distance but another kind of "distance."

For definition of "geodesic" see
http://www.geocities.com/physics_world/ma/geodesic.htm

Pete
 

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