Kleopatra main asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter

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The discussion centers on the asteroid 216 Kleopatra, located in the main asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter. Participants explore its unusual shape, composition, and the implications of its formation, delving into theories about its origins and the nature of metallic asteroids.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that Kleopatra's dog bone shape suggests it may be the remnant of a violent collision between two asteroids, though one participant expresses skepticism about the idea that it was once two bodies that joined by infilling.
  • There is speculation about the metallic nature of Kleopatra and whether it contains a significant fraction of precious metals, with a humorous suggestion about its name.
  • One participant raises the possibility that the core of Kleopatra could have been "plastic" during the collision, leading to its peculiar shape due to centrifugal forces.
  • Concerns are expressed regarding the lack of validated models in the field, with a participant suggesting that future research may refine current understandings significantly.
  • Another participant mentions the concept of "tidal stripping" and its implications for the history of the galaxy, hinting at broader cosmic events that may have influenced asteroid formation.
  • References to Dr. Steven Ostro's contributions to planetary radar astronomy highlight the significance of his work in understanding asteroids, including Kleopatra.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the formation and characteristics of Kleopatra, with multiple competing views and uncertainties remaining regarding its shape and composition.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects the early stage of research in this area, with participants acknowledging the potential for future refinements and the current limitations in validating models through direct observations.

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http://www.spacescience.com/headlines/y2000/ast08may_1.htm

The asteroid, named 216 Kleopatra, is a large object in the main asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter; it measures about 217 kilometers (135 miles) long and about 94 kilometers (58 miles) wide. Kleopatra was discovered in 1880, but until now, its shape was unknown.

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"With its dog bone shape, Kleopatra is one of the most unusual asteroids we've seen in the Solar System," said Dr. Steven Ostro of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA, who led a team of astronomers observing Kleopatra with the 1,000-foot (305- meter) telescope of the Arecibo Observatory in Puerto Rico. "Kleopatra could be the remnant of an incredibly violent collision between two asteroids that did not completely shatter and disperse all the fragments."

This page also states that klopatra is metalic, and could have been the
core of a larger body, but the shape is wrong shurly.
I don't buy the argument that it was once two bodies that have joined by
infilling.
Anyone have more on this?
 
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A metallic asteroid should also have a significant fraction of precious metals. Kleopatra may be a good name for it!
Anyone for chewing on the dog bone?

Garth
 
From the same page.

"It is amazing that nature has produced a giant metallic object with such a peculiar shape," said Ostro. "We can think of some possible scenarios, but at this point none is very satisfying. The object's existence is a perplexing mystery that tells us how far we have to go to understand more about asteroid shapes and collisions."

Could the core have been "plastic", when the collision occurred, and
centrifugal forces form this shape?
 
AFAIK, Ostro is one of the leading researchers in this area.

However, the field is relatively young, and there are few (none?) examples of the models being validated by 'up close and personal' photos from flyby or orbiting spaceprobes.

As is often (usually?) the case, the next ~30 years will see all manner of refinements, adjustments, and so on, and what will emerge is that Ostro et al got ~50-95% 'right', and that there is great fascination in the ~5-50% that they got 'not quite right'. :smile:
 
Neried

ashamed to say i do not know the name,

AFAIK, Ostro is one of the leading researchers in this area.

but soon will :smile:
 
The process, "Tidal stripping", makes me think that our galaxy has
experienced massive disruption in the past.

Ostro sj?
 
http://www.aas.org/dps/MISC_NOTICES/030921_prizes2003.html ... "Ostro has been a pioneer and principal driving force in the area of planetary radar astronomy and continues to push the capabilities of this field to new heights. He is recognized for the first ever main-belt asteroid detection, of Ceres, as a graduate student and the extensive program of radar observations of near-Earth and main-belt asteroids since. The result has been a series of spatially-resolved images that have profoundly impacted our understanding of these bodies. Notable discoveries include the first strong evidence for a contact binary asteroid, 4769 Castalia; the most compelling evidence for a metallic, near-Earth asteroid, 1986 DA; the first confirmed non-principal axis rotator asteroid, 4179 Toutatis; the first mapping of a decameter, monolithic, rapidly rotating asteroid, 1998 KY26; and the first clearly resolved radar images of a main-belt asteroid, 216 Kleopatra. He made the first radar detection of Phobos and has been involved in radar studies of Saturn's rings, the Galilean satellites and Mars.[/color]" (extracts)
 
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Thanks NEREID

Has our spiral arm been disrupted via mergers "Canis major", other, in
past times?
 

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