If we one day harnass nuclear fusion as an energy source

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the hypothetical implications of harnessing nuclear fusion as an energy source, particularly focusing on the potential by-product of helium and its various uses, including the production of helium balloons. Participants explore the feasibility, safety, and societal impacts of such a scenario, blending humor with speculative reasoning.

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  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that fusion reactors could serve as helium balloon factories, suggesting that the potential for helium production should be integrated into reactor designs.
  • Others humorously argue that the proliferation of helium balloons could lead to overly happy children, which they view as a negative outcome.
  • Concerns are raised about the distribution of helium generators globally to prevent any gravitational effects on Earth's orbit, with some suggesting that helium would displace heavier atmospheric elements.
  • Participants discuss the challenges of storing helium, noting that long-term storage and transportation of helium balloons would be impractical due to weight and outgassing issues.
  • Health and safety issues are humorously considered, such as the potential for helium handlers to have their voices altered, leading to absurd scenarios involving emergency calls from cartoon characters.
  • Some participants suggest creative ideas, like using helium-filled blimps to keep nuclear power plants aloft, while others envision household helium taps for balloon access.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally engage in humorous speculation without reaching a consensus. Multiple competing views and ideas remain, with no clear resolution on the implications of helium production from fusion reactors.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes speculative reasoning and humorous exaggeration, with no established facts or technical conclusions drawn regarding the feasibility of helium production or its societal impacts.

If we one day harnass nuclear fusion as an energy source

  • We should naturally provide for Helium balloon production in every reactor

    Votes: 3 27.3%
  • We should only bottle and contain the helium for later use in balloon production

    Votes: 3 27.3%
  • We shouldn't use the Helium for any balloon production

    Votes: 2 18.2%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 27.3%

  • Total voters
    11
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Would common sense dictate that along with providing energy, that each fusion reactor would double as a Helium balloon factory, or would I have to take it upon myself to lobby for the creation of such a facility when the time comes?

I would assume that any scientist worth his weight in salt would instantly see the incredible potential that nuclear fusion has to create an unlimited supply of Helium balloons for the whole world, and that any design plan for a fusion reactor would inherently include a balloon factory somewhere therein. However, you really can never tell; the most common sense things are often completely overlooked by the people who are presumably the smartest...
 
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Balloons would be a very dangerous by-product to fusion energy. With the unchecked proliferaiton of balloons, we would live in a world where kids were happy. This must not happen and the UN must take further steps to make sure the unchecked proliferation of balloons is supressed and all kids must live unhappy childhoods due to their history of radical annoyance.
 
There's a major problem to be considered in all this. These helium generators will have to be spread out more or less evenly over the globe to prevent the pull of all this new helium from pulling the Earth out of its orbit.
 
zoobyshoe said:
There's a major problem to be considered in all this. These helium generators will have to be spread out more or less evenly over the globe to prevent the pull of all this new helium from pulling the Earth out of its orbit.
Certainly if there were a larger number of fusion reactors in one part of the world, the helium would work towards pulling the Earth out of orbit from that point, but all the helium there would just displace the pre-existing heavier atmospheric elements towards the other side of the world, providing an effective counterweight.
 
I had to go with the bottling and storing option. Obviously, such a valuable and rare resource must not be wasted. Unfortunately, you would have to store premade balloons as liquid helium balloons (aka very bloody cold water balloons). Even the proper helium-resistant balloon material allows the stuff to outgas at an unacceptable rate. Long term storage isn't practical. Not to mention the transportation problems. Clearly, a truck full of helium balloons won't have enough weight on the road for proper traction. They would have to be shipped by air, but the plane would have trouble landing because they won't want to come down.
 
wasteofo2 said:
...all the helium there would just displace the pre-existing heavier atmospheric elements towards the other side of the world, providing an effective counterweight.
Yeah, I didn't think of that - the weight displacing to the other side. Thanks O2!
 
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Whoops! I just thought of another major problem, this one having to do with health and safety: what if the helium handler's voices get stuck up there, 2 octaves above normal?
 
I just thought of another major problem

I was thinking the same thing. How do you think the NRC would react to a frantic phone call from Alvin the Chipmunk, who is claiming that a core meltdown is in progress?
 
Ivan Seeking said:
I was thinking the same thing. How do you think the NRC would react to a frantic phone call from Alvin the Chipmunk, who is claiming that a core meltdown is in progress?
Helium is an inherently amusing gas. Hydrogen: now that's a hard gas to laugh at. Strangely, though, hydrogen is more uplifting. It has more lift than helium. It rises so much faster that compared to hydrogen, helium is inert. I'd say it's stuck in second place. Still, it's funnier. Quite a funny gas, helium.
 
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Perhaps nuclear power plants could be kept aloft with giant blimps filled with Helium. Then we could float all of these blimps over Canada by using long extension cords, just in case something goes terribly wrong.
 
  • #11
Well, I had to vote for bottling the helium since I like both mylar and latex balloons and am worried the factory at the reactor might only specialize in one or the other, thus depriving children of whichever was not produced there.

Though, an option not listed is that I envision a helium tap in every household. Truly, we should strive to have a balloon for every child in every household. I know it sounds like a bit of a socialistic ideal, but since it's an important cause and for children, how could we not all support it? :biggrin:

(Ooh, when I go to Disney with Zz, I want to get a Mickey Mouse balloon too!)
 
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Ivan Seeking said:
Perhaps nuclear power plants could be kept aloft with giant blimps filled with Helium. Then we could float all of these blimps over Canada by using long extension cords, just in case something goes terribly wrong.

I guess you've changed your mind about moving to Canada? :smile:
 
  • #13
Actually, no. But for now the realities of life won't allow it.

Besides, unless they announce it at a hockey game the Canadians will never notice! :biggrin:
 
  • #14
Ivan Seeking said:
unless they announce it at a hockey game the Canadians will never notice! :biggrin:
We would notice, and be grateful, because then all of our lightning would be running down the cords and hitting you guys instead of us. :-p
 

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