Where is Dark Matter Found in the Universe?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature and distribution of dark matter in the universe, as well as related concepts such as black holes and their properties. Participants explore theoretical implications, observational evidence, and definitions of dark matter within the context of modern astronomy.

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  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that crossing the event horizon of a black hole increases its mass and gravitational pull.
  • One participant defines dark matter as any matter that cannot be observed with telescopes, suggesting that unseen planets may contribute to dark matter.
  • Another participant argues that the common understanding of dark matter in modern astronomy refers to its inferred presence from galaxy dynamics and cosmic measurements, rather than just unseen planets.
  • It is suggested that dark matter primarily exists in halos around galaxies, with some types of galaxies having more than others, and that galactic clusters contain significant amounts of dark matter.
  • Participants note that the Pioneer 10 anomaly could be explained by various phenomena, including dark matter, but caution that it is not necessarily the leading theory.
  • There is a discussion about whether black holes have a capacity or limit to their size and the rate at which they can grow, with some suggesting that mass density affects growth rate.
  • One participant mentions that there is no known limit on the ultimate size of black holes, although there may be a volumetric limit related to the speed of light.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definition and implications of dark matter, with some agreeing on certain points while contesting others. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of dark matter's properties and distribution.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding assumptions about dark matter's nature, the definitions used, and the implications of the Pioneer 10 anomaly. The relationship between black holes and their growth rates is also not fully explored.

Who May Find This Useful

Readers interested in astrophysics, cosmology, and the ongoing debates surrounding dark matter and black hole properties may find this discussion relevant.

Dr.Brain
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1)Ok.I was wondering ..what happens after we reach singularity inside black hole?...Do we become part of the black hole and strengthen it by increasing its mass in the same amount of volume?

2) Is Dark Matter only confined to the outer stretches of the Galaxy?..or is it also found elsewhere in the Universe?.
 
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1) I will mention in passing that there is some debate as to whether or not singularities actually exist, but the answer to that question is not vital to finding the answer to your question. In theory, yes, once you cross the event Horizon of a black hole you increase its total mass, and add to its gravitational pull.

2) Dark matter is any matter that we cannot see with our telescopes. All of the planets that we cannot see orbiting distant (and nearby) stars are dark matter. The Pioneer 10 anomaly (the space probe Pioneer 10 is decelerating slightly more than predicted as it leaves our solar system) may imply that there is considerably more matter right here in our own solar system than we have accounted for so far.
 
I agree with Lurch on the first point. On the second point, his definition of Dark matter is a legitimate one, but is not normally what one means when discussing Dark Matter in the context of modern astronomy, for example in the context of a statement that "30% of the matter in the universe is dark matter".

Ordinary stuff like hydrogen gas in free space and stray asteroids and planets and such are believed to be on the order of 5% or so of the mass of visible matter, maybe more if you include massive neutrinos.

Usually, and I suspect in the case of your question, what you are referring to is that presence of matter inferred from observations such as the dynamics of galaxies and lensing of galaxies and galactic clusters and cosmic background radiation measurements.

Theory infers that this kind of dark matter primarily exists in "halos" around certain kinds of galaxies (some kinds tend to have more than others), with galactic clusters having a particularly large does of the stuff. It is also hypothesized that the large scale structure observed in the universe may be driven by filaments of dark matter which may or may not be the same stuff as the stuff believed to cause galactic dynamics.

These halos are not believed to extend to the cores of galaxies in most cases.

The Pioneer 10 case could be explained by many, many phenomena, dark matter is one of them. I wouldn't call it a leading theory, however.

Certainly, dark matter is not only inferred from the dynamics of the Milky Way galaxy. It is inferred, at least, from almost every largish spiral galaxy and many other types of galaxies throughout the universe.

Dark matter is a mainstream theory of physics but does not have all the kinks worked out. Among the most pressing issues in dark matter theory are: "What is it made of, if it exists?" (The prevailing view is that it is "non-baryonic" (i.e. not made up of protons, neutrons or other three quark particles)) and "Why is it distributed in characteristic ways?"
 
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Hello!
I'm new here, I really enjoy reading the posts and finally decided to participate.
I do have a question. Does a black hole have a capacity or limit to its ultimate size? Or the speed or time frame which it can take in a set amount of matter? I thought maybe the jets release what is above what it can take in during a particular time frame. Over time the bh can grow, but at what rate can it grow? If a hundred sun mass black hole merged with another hundred mass object, can it continue as before or will it increase mass ( ratio ) being ejected?
Thanks, Roy
 
I can't speak to rate of growth except to note that there is a volumetric limit (speed of light time event horizon area), and that there is no known or theoretical limit on ultimate size. Mass density would be a big factor in rate of growth.
 
And welcome to posting to these Forums pjb59!
Garth
 
ohwilleke said:
I agree with Lurch on the first point. On the second point, his definition of Dark matter is a legitimate one, but is not normally what one means when discussing Dark Matter in the context of modern astronomy, for example in the context of a statement that "30% of the matter in the universe is dark matter".

Actually, his is the more correct definition and is used frequently by astronomers, but I agree that they are often used interchangably. By the way, I think you mean "30% of the energy density of the universe is dark matter".
 

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