Do Wave Functions in Different Positions Form an Orthonormal Set?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of wave functions in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on the wave function of a particle located at a specific position in one-dimensional space and its representation in momentum space. Participants explore whether the collection of these wave functions for different positions forms an orthonormal set.

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  • Participants discuss the nature of the wave function at a specific position, identifying it as the Dirac delta function. They explore the implications of this representation in terms of orthogonality and normalization. Questions arise regarding the definition of orthogonality in the context of generalized functions and the conditions under which the delta functions are considered orthogonal.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the mathematical properties of the delta function and its implications for orthonormality. Some participants express uncertainty about the interpretation of results and seek clarification on the relationship between the mathematical operations performed and the concept of orthonormality.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of quantum mechanics and the mathematical formalism involved, including the use of generalized functions and Fourier transforms. There is an emphasis on understanding the implications of specific mathematical results without reaching a definitive conclusion on the broader question of orthonormality.

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Quantum question again...

What's the wave function in coordinate space Ψx0(x') of a particle (in 1-D) located at a certain position x0? What about the wave function Φx0(p') in momentum space? Now, consider the totality of these wave functions for different values of x0. Do they form an orthonormal set?

The only thing I know is that if I know Ψx0(x'), I can Fourier transform it to Φx0(p')? But what's Ψx0(x')?

Thanks in advance!
 
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The wave function of a particle AT a specific x0 is the Dirac delta function δ(x-x0). Of course, the wave function in momentum space is the Fourier transform: the constant function. If you know the position exactly, then you have no information at all about the momentum.
 
Originally posted by HallsofIvy
The wave function of a particle AT a specific x0 is the Dirac delta function δ(x-x0). Of course, the wave function in momentum space is the Fourier transform: the constant function. If you know the position exactly, then you have no information at all about the momentum.

Thank you! That makes a lot of sense. :smile: However, I'm not sure whether I understand this part of the question -

Now, consider the totality of these wave functions for different values of x0. Do they form an orthonormal set?

Does it mean whether all the delta functions at different x0 are orthogonal or not?
 
What does "orthogonal" mean for these functions?

(The delta function is not a true function. It is a "generalized function" or "distribution". But, the same concepts apply.)
 
Originally posted by HallsofIvy
What does "orthogonal" mean for these functions?

(The delta function is not a true function. It is a "generalized function" or "distribution". But, the same concepts apply.)

I think it means if they're the same function, the product should be integrated to one, otherwise it's zero?

Hm...I multiplied 2 wavefunction and integrate them. It gave me another delta function.
 
einai,
I think the trick is that you use substitution.
You got
&int &delta (x-x0) &delta (x-x1) dx.
Now, let y = x-x0.
Then, dx = dy, and
&delta (x-x0) = &delta (y), and
&delta (x-x1) = &delta (y+x0-x1).
So,
&int &delta (x-x0) &delta (x-x1) dx
=
&int &delta (y) &delta(y+x0-x1) dy
=
&delta (x0-x1).
You probably already got that, and it's the orthogonality relation that you want.
 
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How can I make these math symbols show?
 
Originally posted by arcnets
How can I make these math symbols show?


You need to put ; after &delta :D.

And thanks for answering my question. I did get the same thing, but I wasn't sure whether that implies orthonormality. Now I know, since I got the solution from the prof. It does imply orthonormality, and I got it right! :)
 
You need to put ; after &delta :D.

Just testing...
∫ δ (x-x0) δ (x-x1) dx = ?
Now, let y = x-x0.
Then, dx = dy, and
δ (x-x0) = δ (y), and
δ (x-x1) = δ (y+x0-x1).
So, ∫ δ (x-x0) δ (x-x1) dx
= ∫ δ (y) δ (y+x0-x1) dy
= δ (x0-x1).

Fine! Learned something!
 
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Originally posted by arcnets
Just testing...
∫ δ (x-x0) δ (x-x1) dx = ?
Now, let y = x-x0.
Then, dx = dy, and
δ (x-x0) = δ (y), and
δ (x-x1) = δ (y+x0-x1).
So, ∫ δ (x-x0) δ (x-x1) dx
= ∫ δ (y) δ (y+x0-x1) dy
= δ (x0-x1).

Fine! Learned something!

Looks much better :)!

I didn't use substitution. I just treated
∫δ (x-x0) δ (x-x1) dx
as ∫f(x) δ(x-x1) dx

so when I integrate it, it gives f(x) -> f(x1) = δ (x0-x1).

I'm not sure whether this is a correct method, although it does give me the answer :D.
 

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