Alien species produced memories

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of whether an alien species could produce memories through a process involving negative entropy change, and if such a process would allow them to have memories of the future. The scope includes theoretical implications of entropy in memory formation and evolutionary considerations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that if an alien species could produce memories through a process involving negative entropy change, it might imply they have memories of the future.
  • Another participant challenges this idea, arguing that memories of the past require a negative entropy change, while memories of the future would necessitate an increase in entropy.
  • A third participant notes that brains are ordered systems, suggesting that energy is used to maintain this order, which might relate to the discussion of entropy and memory formation.
  • A follow-up response seeks clarification on the concept of positive free (Gibbs) energy, indicating a potential misunderstanding or need for further explanation regarding energy states in relation to entropy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between entropy and memory formation, with no consensus reached on whether memories of the future are possible or how entropy changes relate to memory processes.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of entropy and memory, and the implications of energy states, which remain unresolved. The definitions of entropy and memory in this context may vary among participants.

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If an alien species produced memories using process involving an overall negative entropy change, would it have memories from our future?

It would appear to us as though these alien memories were being destroyed with an overall positive entropy change (since in our perception every reaction increases the overall entropy of the universe) - but in the perception of the aliens the memories would be being formed with an overall negative entropy change. Memories of the future.

A hypothetical example might be: imagine it were possible to form memories by substituting EDTA ligands with an arrangement of other ligands. This involves a very large negative entropy change.

Is it possible given:
a) Physics;
b) Evolution?
 
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You mean that , if alien species could remember their past by decreasing their entropy (for entropy change to be -ve) , Coould they remember their future?

Certainly not.As per your assertion , -ve entropy change process is needed for memories of the past, as the entropy of the universe is always increasing ( change is entropy at any given time interval is always positive) , therefore to acquire memories of the future , there has to be increase in entropy as opposed by decreasing entropy for memories to be acquired by alien species.
 
Brains are pretty ordered.

Organisms and the parts they are made of, such as the memory creating organ known as the brain are very ordered. We use energy to drive all the reactions towards the ordered (negative entropy) state they are in. Do you happen to mean positive free (Gibbs) energy?
 
quasi426 said:
mean positive free (Gibbs) energy?

That could make more sense yes.
 

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