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Monique
Oct29-03, 05:07 AM
http://editorial.careers.msn.com/articles/highestpay/
doctors, doctors, doctors..
1. Surgeons
$65.89/hr
$137,050/yr
2. Obstetricians and gynecologists
$64.15/hr
$133,430/yr
3. Anesthesiologists
$63.31/hr
$131,680/yr
4. Internists, general
$61.03/hr
$126,940/yr
5. Pediatricians, general
$56.03/hr
$116,550/yr
6. Psychiatrists
$54.60/hr
$113,570/yr
7. Family and general practitioners
$52.89/hr
$110,020/yr
8. Dentists
$53.28/hr
$110,820/yr
9. Chief Executives
$51.77/hr
$107,670/yr
10. Airline pilots, copilots and flight engineers
(N/A)
$99,400/yr
11. Podiatrists
$45.43/hr
$94,500/yr
12. Lawyers
$44.19/hr
$91,920/yr
13. Optometrists
$42.35/hr
$88,100/yr
14. Computer and information systems managers
$40.33/hr
$83,890/yr
15. Physicists
$40.26/hr
$83,750/yr
16. Air traffic controllers
$40.07/hr
$83,350/yr
17. Petroleum Engineers
$39.33/hr
$81,800/yr
18. Nuclear Engineers
$38.56/hr
$80,200/yr
19. Judges, magistrate judges, and magistrates
$38.24/hr
$79,540/yr
20. Marketing Managers
$37.70/hr
$78,410/yr
Number 9 is very vauge..
I'm glad to see we made the top 20. I wonder if theres a similar list for the UK..
Jonathan
Worst poaid jobs in the UK, per annum:
Waitress £9,048
Women kitchen porters £9,545
Women Bar staff £9,763
Shelf-fillers £10,105
Women launderers £10,195
Source: T & G
Jonathan
Monique
Oct29-03, 07:24 AM
? why do women make less money ?
Monique
Oct29-03, 07:28 AM
From Forbes:
America's Worst-Paying Jobs*
Occupation Total Employment Median Annual Earnings
Fast-Food Cooks 522,000 $13,590
Cafeteria Workers 431,000 $13,580
Fast-Food Servers 2,206,000 $13,550
Waiters 1,983,000 $13,350
Casino Dealer 88,000 $13,330
*All data for calendar-year 2000. Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics
Wow, casino dealers?
Random..
not to rub it in even more, but I would tend to think the surgeon average is above the 200K mark.
CIS MGR[:D]- with a 4 year degree, ranked right below a lawyer with 8 years of school. But those probably aren't recent stats, I'm sure IT stats have dropped drastically.
shocker on the casino dealer. I thought they made a lot of money.
I bet the surgeon (and other doctors) are as low as they are because they already factored in business expenses. Doctors, and to a lesser extent, lawyers, pay malpractice insurance. The other jobs on that list do not.
What suprises me is how little they have lawyers making. I only know 4 lawyers well enough to have an idea of what they make, and all make well over 100K, only one makes less than 150k, and one makes ungodly money.
Njorl
Monique
Oct29-03, 12:31 PM
Apparently not all lawyers make a lot of money, since all are averages :) I don't know how they factored in starting salary and 30-year practice salaries..
100k.. I wonder which percentage goes to IRS?
I know in the Netherlands people making, say, 20k pay far less tax then people who make 80k, equaling social classes. I have a very strong inclination to think that things work the other way around in the US. People making a lot of money are fiscally in a better position.
Originally posted by Njorl
I bet the surgeon (and other doctors) are as low as they are because they already factored in business expenses. Doctors, and to a lesser extent, lawyers, pay malpractice insurance. The other jobs on that list do not.
What suprises me is how little they have lawyers making. I only know 4 lawyers well enough to have an idea of what they make, and all make well over 100K, only one makes less than 150k, and one makes ungodly money.
Njorl
Doctors vary on that aspect. If they are working for a hospital, the insurance will often be taken care of for them. If they are in private practice, insurance can run up to 100K/year.
And on a side note, most people tend to forget that the average doctor carries about 150-200K in outstanding loan debt out of medical school. Personally I don't think it's out of proportion to what they do
RageSk8
Oct29-03, 01:30 PM
I am planning on being a philosopher. I am not surprised not to see that up there... I know I am going to be poor. [:(]
Originally posted by RageSk8
I am planning on being a philosopher. I am not surprised not to see that up there... I know I am going to be poor. [:(]
I remember a comedy sketch advertising "The AIRCo Technical Institute of Philosophy"
"Yes, you too can earn as much as some poets!"
Njorl
Monique
Oct29-03, 02:11 PM
Originally posted by Zantra
150-200K are.. you.. serious.. gee :) I am paying $3000 for a two year master, I have heard about two day courses in the US that carry the same price tag [o)]
Why doesn't US government pay for education??
RageSk8
Oct29-03, 02:43 PM
Why doesn't US government pay for education??
Republicans.
Hey! Not only did the US government pay for my last two years as an undergrad, they paid all my grad school tuition, AND paid me a salary while in grad school!
Obviously this is the height of altruism.
I'm sure my agreement to work as a physicist for the army for five years at low pay had nothing at all to do with it. [;)]
Njorl
theEVIL1
Oct29-03, 03:58 PM
Originally posted by Monique
? why do women make less money ?
Why do YOU think this is true?
Monique
Oct29-03, 04:08 PM
Originally posted by jono
Worst poaid jobs in the UK, per annum:
Waitress £9,048
Women kitchen porters £9,545
Women Bar staff £9,763
Shelf-fillers £10,105
Women launderers £10,195
Source: T & G
Jonathan Because of Jono's post..
you're trying to understand british society?
Originally posted by Monique
are.. you.. serious.. gee :) I am paying $3000 for a two year master, I have heard about two day courses in the US that carry the same price tag [o)]
Why doesn't US government pay for education??
you can apply for grants/scholarships, but unless you're going to Harvard or Johns Hopkins, there's inevitably always a shortfall.
Monique
Oct30-03, 12:00 PM
Here (probably most of Europe) government automatically pays for 4 years of higher education, the amount you actually get depends on the economic status of your parents. The less they earn the more you get. Ofcourse the taxes we pay in the Netherlands are no doubt higher than in the US.. but guess what: the people who earn the most money have to pay a much higher percentage tax.. thus everyone is equal.
In US it seems to be the other way around: the more successfull the kid/family, the more chances it has to get financial support.
how is everyone equal by paying a bigger percentage of their income. this is ilogical. you mean you work your *** off to get through a lot of years of school and working my brain until it crashes to earn more than the construction worker who quit in grade school and the government imposes me a bigger percentage? This is communist stuff. Do you have a communist government in the Netherlands? I really was planing on coming in Amsterdam for a couple of years. Should I reconsider?
It only SEEMS that the richer people pay less taxes. While this may be true in practice, it's not by design. Richer people can afford very expensive accountants who can find legal loopholes. they're just working the system. In practice, the percentage of income tax goes UP not down, the higher the pay.
Monique
Oct31-03, 10:31 AM
Originally posted by Sonty
how is everyone equal by paying a bigger percentage of their income. this is ilogical. you mean you work your *** off to get through a lot of years of school and working my brain until it crashes to earn more than the construction worker who quit in grade school and the government imposes me a bigger percentage? This is communist stuff. Do you have a communist government in the Netherlands? I really was planing on coming in Amsterdam for a couple of years. Should I reconsider? Haha, please come! I think it is actually good to flatten a society like that, it makes sense right? Someone who makes 15k per year will have harder time coming up with 30% tax than someone who makes 115k. We are a democratic country and I think that everyone would agree that the filthy rich have a few extra dimes to spare. There are enought millionairs in the Netherlands though! 3000 in Amsterdam alone, which is a quite low percentage if you look at other cities.
I don't think the rich people are affected at all by this, it is just that you can live a very comfortable life with little education, you won't end up in a trailer park so to say. Americans have incredible zeal and I admire that.
Originally posted by Monique
Haha, please come!
I will if the University will have me.
I think it is actually good to flatten a society like that, it makes sense right? Someone who makes 15k per year will have harder time coming up with 30% tax than someone who makes 115k. We are a democratic country and I think that everyone would agree that the filthy rich have a few extra dimes to spare. There are enought millionairs in the Netherlands though! 3000 in Amsterdam alone, which is a quite low percentage if you look at other cities.
I don't think the rich people are affected at all by this, it is just that you can live a very comfortable life with little education, you won't end up in a trailer park so to say. Americans have incredible zeal and I admire that. [/B]
I can understand the concept of helping the poor survive, but I don't understand why hit the rich across the head with a hammer. I'm not exactly talking about those who inherit their wealth, but of those with 100k/year. Those are usually professors, lawyers and doctors. Don't you think these guys deserve their money? When you think up a finnancial system you should settle on a percentage and that's it. Anyway the guys with a bigger income will pay more. It's a percentage. And those who cannot afford it get help from the government. That's why you don't set that percentage at the lower limit.
Originally posted by Zantra
Richer people can afford very expensive accountants who can find legal loopholes. they're just working the system.
Now that I met and started to know a number of 20 americans like you advised me, it seems like you started to interact with people from my government back home! What's going on with you? Turn back to the light!!
If you know that there are holes in your system you make the taxes bigger so you can pay more on welfare, or what? That's like hiding the garbage under the carpet. It stinks and it shows.
Originally posted by Sonty
Now that I met and started to know a number of 20 americans like you advised me, it seems like you started to interact with people from my government back home! What's going on with you? Turn back to the light!!
If you know that there are holes in your system you make the taxes bigger so you can pay more on welfare, or what? That's like hiding the garbage under the carpet. It stinks and it shows. [/B]
Que est-ce que c'est? Je n'ai pas vraiment d'argent. I wish I were rich enough to take advantage of these tax loops. The US turns hiding garbage into an artform.
Monique
Oct31-03, 04:41 PM
I just looked up what it pays to be a professor in The Netherlands: the lowest as a starter would be: €56604/yr and highest: €89472/yr.. do I see the € fading and the $ twinkling in your eyes???
Dimitri Terryn
Oct31-03, 05:40 PM
Originally posted by Sonty
how is everyone equal by paying a bigger percentage of their income. this is ilogical. you mean you work your *** off to get through a lot of years of school and working my brain until it crashes to earn more than the construction worker who quit in grade school and the government imposes me a bigger percentage? This is communist stuff. Do you have a communist government in the Netherlands? I really was planing on coming in Amsterdam for a couple of years. Should I reconsider?
The thing is, having a good degree or being hard working does not make you rich. Being born into money and being well connected does. The higher echolons in any democratic society are pretty much stable throughout different generations. And proportionally, in most European countries, the rich pay less taxes then average or poor people. I have no idea where Monique gets her ideas, but it seems to me that if you're a hard-working simple person, you still get buggered in the end.
As far as the Netherlands are concerned, it would not surprise me that the trend would be more tax benefits for the rich, with the right-wing Balkenende governement hinting at such reforms.
And Sonty, I can totally understand that you are disgusted by communism, after all your country has been through. But please do not be discouraged by every form of socialism...
Monique
Oct31-03, 05:53 PM
Well, I am not into politics and economics, but this is what the Economist has to say:
The Netherlands has an advanced economy, which combines high incomes per head with a fairly even income distribution. http://www.economist.com/countries/Netherlands/profile.cfm?folder=Profile%2DEconomic%20Structure
I think that an even income distribution should be encouraged, everyone deserves to make a decent living. But yes, there should be an encouragement for people to perform their duties well.
Did you hear about that CEO that was going to take this company out of debt?? I forgot the name, it was about a month ago. The guy was hired with a salary of €10 million!!! Can you believe it??? And where was this money coming from? Forced layoffs, well, Sonty, what is the fairness here.. Better tax that guy good to pay for the poor peoples unemployment. *edit: I just remembered it was the company Ahold*
Monique
Oct31-03, 05:56 PM
As I said, I am not good in politics or economics, so someone please comment on the following: are incomes regulated in the US? I don't think so, and there are multiple layers from the very poor to the stinking rich. American dream you can say, but I prefer socialism before capitalism anytime..
Monique
Oct31-03, 06:27 PM
I am reading a research tool survey about The Netherlands from The Economist to get more insight in the workings of it all..
Sonty, look at this!
The Netherlands' tax reforms, which cut top marginal income-tax rates to 52%, from a peak of 72% I think that that means that the top incomes used to get taxed with 72%? whohooo! The tax reform was in 2001, which cut it back to 52%.
Originally posted by Monique
As I said, I am not good in politics or economics, so someone please comment on the following: are incomes regulated in the US? I don't think so, and there are multiple layers from the very poor to the stinking rich. American dream you can say, but I prefer socialism before capitalism anytime..
Capitalism has a disclaimer. It's the "Dream" IF you're willing to work for it. A large percentage of the poor in america are simply unwilling to work in order to make something of themselves. Now of course there are those who are victims of social factors beyond thier control, but a great deal also want to work as little as possible and "slide" through life. I'm sure you learned that much being in michgan. For single mothers struggling to make ends meet, I have the deepest sympathies. For high school droupouts, criminals, drug addicts, and the like I have no pity- they wrought their own fate, and yet we STILL help them out with programs to rehabilitate, train, and educate them in preperation for the workforce. Yet many choose not to accept these options available to them, when so many other places in the world DO NOT have these options for people, willing or unwilling. Even if you put forth a mediocre, Half-a##ed effort in the US, you can clothe and feed yourself, and put a roof over your head. I wouldn't be in favor of a socialist system which supports this type of behavior. It's the old addage- those who don't work, don't eat. It stood 400 years ago, and it stands today.
I will concede that the health care system does need work, and that everyone should be entitled to healthcare regardless of fiancial status, And also that there are certain circumstances, such as single mothers, disabled persons, or otherwise socially disadvantaged indiviuduals who are worthy of the support that is offered to all unemployed or low-income people. It's the people who take advantage of the system that earn my contempt and indifference. If you want an education, it may be expensive, but you can get one. If you want to work in this country, you will find work if you put forth an effort.
You may not become filthy rich, but you will survive, and even prosper if you follow the formula that you are guided through in schooling, and hand held, no less. I've been to 3rd world countries where thousands of people with MASTERS degrees in fields that are in high demand in the US, cannot find work, simply because the country's economy cannot support it. Meanwhile you have the indivdual over here in the US who slid through life, skipped school, never even attempted to hold down a job or obtain any type of training, and now lives of the government. This is the type of individual who would flourish in a socialist economy and live off the backs of others.
hypnagogue
Oct31-03, 11:08 PM
Originally posted by Monique
I am reading a research tool survey about The Netherlands from The Economist to get more insight in the workings of it all..
Sonty, look at this!
I think that that means that the top incomes used to get taxed with 72%? whohooo! The tax reform was in 2001, which cut it back to 52%.
Holy Jesus. 72%!? I'm all for taxing the rich more, but jeez...
Loren Booda
Nov1-03, 12:53 AM
My guesses as to women's lower salary in the U.S.:
Traditionally,
1. Women (still) have less, and less lucrative, education than men
2. Men control hiring of well-paying jobs
3. Women living with male partners settle for lesser paid, secondary jobs
4. Immigrants (especially) consider woman to do more work for less pay
5. Women are expected to work in social services, and men in technology
Originally posted by Loren Booda
My guesses as to women's lower salary in the U.S.:
Traditionally,
1. Women (still) have less, and less lucrative, education than men
2. Men control hiring of well-paying jobs
3. Women living with male partners settle for lesser paid, secondary jobs
4. Immigrants (especially) consider woman to do more work for less pay
5. Women are expected to work in social services, and men in technology
I was just reading an interesting post related to the gap in the male female ratios for matriculants to the Medical Scientist Training program(for those who don't know, it's a combined MD/PHD program).
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=87726
The gap is narrowing to an even ratio(went from 20 percent in the 70's to high 30th percentile recently). However a lot of females are reluctant to pursue this program which takes about 10 years on average(that's AFTER undergrad). Comments made by admissions faculty and studies done show that the number one reason given by females reluctant to pursue the field indicate that they are under the impression that this path will not allow them to have time for a family. As it was pointed out, this isn't necessarily true, as there are many female medical scientist who have managed both, but the perception is still there.
There are of course other reasons given, such as that women feel they have to be MORE competitive then males to equalize themselves. But I would like to say that based on my own experience, The higher the position, the more of your time it demands. Thus, the 9-5 job becomes unrealistic once you reach a certain level. This is what prevents many women from attaining higher levels, as they are forced to balance work and family, and are unable to work the 60+ hour work weeks that men are able to do,due to thier freedom from family commitments, and thus earn the promotion over the woman. Is this fair? No, but many women who do attain the success, do so at the cost of children and thier family. I know several successful women in high level positions, and they invariably sacrifice a family in the name of thier career. At excutive levels, it is very difficult to maintain a balance without extreme support at home (ie a stay at home dad). I personally feel this is a major contributing factor in the disparity between the sexes in business.
That was informative but very broad.
Yes, Zantra, talking about people abusing the system.. that holds very true for a socialist country, and I think The Netherlands serves a good example.
Yesterday I saw the news, there are 1 million people in The Netherlands in working-disability (not sure about the translation) where there are total 7 million people working! The fact was that if you had a bad back, or claimed to have one, you could go into disability without questions asked and even get 100% of your wages!! I think the norm was 80% and now they have cut it back to 70%. But still we have a very large influx of foreigners taking advantage of the system.
There are a lot of maroccan and turkish people in the Netherlands, which have the highest percentage of disability, and get alot of money, without even having worked a single day in this country! So it was on the news yesterday that such foreigners will have to go for examination twice, instead of one, trying to get people to work.
Originally posted by Monique
Yesterday I saw the news, there are 1 million people in The Netherlands in working-disability (not sure about the translation) where there are total 7 million people working! The fact was that if you had a bad back, or claimed to have one, you could go into disability without questions asked and even get 100% of your wages!! I think the norm was 80% and now they have cut it back to 70%. But still we have a very large influx of foreigners taking advantage of the system.
There are a lot of maroccan and turkish people in the Netherlands, which have the highest percentage of disability, and get alot of money, without even having worked a single day in this country! So it was on the news yesterday that such foreigners will have to go for examination twice, instead of one, trying to get people to work.
That's how it starts. Out of a population of 16 million you still have 7 working. out of 23 Romania has 5, while around 6 are retired because of age or "disabilities". Checking them twice doesn't matter. That will mean more bribe to the doctors. It's not wanted also because then those people will count as unemployed and that doesn't look good to the EU. The medium sallary is 100 €, but for how many people?
Both socialism and capitalism sound very good. Different but good. The problem is not the system is those IN the system. Even a good theory goes bad when applied.
Originally posted by Monique
I just looked up what it pays to be a professor in The Netherlands: the lowest as a starter would be: €56604/yr and highest: €89472/yr.. do I see the € fading and the $ twinkling in your eyes???
€89472=$104000
Originally posted by Zantra
I've been to 3rd world countries where thousands of people with MASTERS degrees in fields that are in high demand in the US, cannot find work, simply because the country's economy cannot support it. Meanwhile you have the indivdual over here in the US who slid through life, skipped school, never even attempted to hold down a job or obtain any type of training, and now lives of the government. This is the type of individual who would flourish in a socialist economy and live off the backs of others.
The story of my life, Zantra. And the story of a lot of my friends. Can we replace some of them?
Right now, back home the government is discussing introducing a flat tax system and they are still uncertain about the figure, somewhere between 21 and 24 %.
Oh, and Zantra, I forgot to tell you my conclusion. The vast majority of the americans is not fat at all, but I can feel that "You'll be fine so I don't care about your problems" attitude. I won't open this discussion again.
You missed the point Sonty. The point is that you can't categorize ANY americans because we're all different, just as I'm sure, Belgians are each different. Are there americans who have the traits you describe? No doubt, but no 2 are alike. This is the lesson you must learn. But if you have met 20 Americans, it s a good start.
As far as the selfish attitude, It varies from person to person, but I think every person puts thier country ahead of everyone else's to some degree. It's called patriotism. Besides, if you want to know what happens when we "care" about other countries, look no further than the middle east.
One CAN talk about a population as a whole, just don't generalize it to the person.
Originally posted by Zantra
You missed the point Sonty. The point is that you can't categorize ANY americans because we're all different, just as I'm sure, Belgians are each different. Are there americans who have the traits you describe? No doubt, but no 2 are alike. This is the lesson you must learn. But if you have met 20 Americans, it s a good start.
As far as the selfish attitude, It varies from person to person, but I think every person puts thier country ahead of everyone else's to some degree. It's called patriotism. Besides, if you want to know what happens when we "care" about other countries, look no further than the middle east.
And was I talking about individuals?
I know belgians for the same ammount of time as I know these americans. For now I'm still bitterly laughing about the recent meeting between (still) my president and yours, where they had a private meeting, had fun together, looked like the best friends, but the staff didn't even get the right flag to put on the table in front of him. What attitude do you think that shows? And it's at the highest level.
About the middle east... what can I say. I still haven't seen entire nations going out on the streets thanking for the help.
Let's get back to ranking sallaries, should we? As far as I can remember in Romania the best paid jobs were in the backing system and air traffic controllers and pilots. I don't know if the job of being a physicist even exists anymore. It is now just called physics professor and it's paied from 100 € to 250 or 300.
is that 100 euro per year or month>
Originally posted by Monique
Yes, Zantra, talking about people abusing the system.. that holds very true for a socialist country, and I think The Netherlands serves a good example.
Yesterday I saw the news, there are 1 million people in The Netherlands in working-disability (not sure about the translation) where there are total 7 million people working! The fact was that if you had a bad back, or claimed to have one, you could go into disability without questions asked and even get 100% of your wages!! I think the norm was 80% and now they have cut it back to 70%. But still we have a very large influx of foreigners taking advantage of the system.
There are a lot of maroccan and turkish people in the Netherlands, which have the highest percentage of disability, and get alot of money, without even having worked a single day in this country! So it was on the news yesterday that such foreigners will have to go for examination twice, instead of one, trying to get people to work.
Yes. This is very annoying. Combined with the ludicrous taxes I have to pay and will have to pay leaves me supporting several well heeled Turks. I am trying to figure out a way to get paid in UK while working in Netherlands.
Robert Zaleski
Nov5-03, 08:44 PM
The lawyer you listed can't be a trial lawyer. After shaking hands with one, you have to count your fingers. After you finish counting your fingers, they give you a bill for 200 dollars.
phoenixthoth
Nov9-03, 01:14 AM
i haven't read the whole thread so i hope i'm not repeating anyone else's remarks...
what about drug dealers, pimps, made men (heads of mafias and such), those practicing investment fraud, etc.? i couldn't find much data on the net. ever heard of the dopewars game? you can now even use crack-whores. it's dope. i find it hard and unrealistic yet more fun than prison sex. i don't think it gives realistic training to become a dealer.
my general, entry-level sense of drug-dealing involves getting drugs from an inner city at something between 50% to 75% of what they sell for in a college town where college kids eat that up big time. so in general theory, you could make at least 33% profit on your investment. also, buying in large quantities of course means you can divide it up and sell the individual parts at a price so that there would be massive profits. you know, like get a sheet of 100 hits of acid and sell it five hits at a time (though i think liquid acid is more popular). there are a few catches including what might happen if you move in on another dealer's turf. oh yeah, and it's illegal... i don't know how some of these dealers don't get caught. or maybe they do and get out soon. you can go down some major streets and buy some crack for $10 in your car from a guy on the street. once i saw this even with cop cars like a block away.
one_raven
Nov12-03, 04:05 AM
Originally posted by jono
Women launderers £10,195
People get paid to wash women??
Where do you sign up for THAT job?[:D]
Originally posted by Monique
100k.. I wonder which percentage goes to IRS?
In the US, you reach the highest tax bracket at about $95,000.
Strictly speaking, that is something like 40 - 45% of your income going back to the Federal, State and Local government.
Of course there are tax breaks and other tircks dishonest people play to keep their money.
Originally posted by Monique
Ofcourse the taxes we pay in the Netherlands are no doubt higher than in the US.. but guess what: the people who earn the most money have to pay a much higher percentage tax.. thus everyone is equal.
Equal?
Your definition of equal must be different than mine.
If some people are more equal than others, equality does not exist.
I am not filthy rich.
I don't have yachts and tax shelters.
I don't own several homes.
Hell, I don't even own ONE home.
I rent.
I grew up poor, in a poor neigborhood.
I drive a used Honda.
I don't travel the world in a private jet.
I work very hard for what I have.
I have been working steadily since I was 13 years old (I am now 32).
I have never had a leg-up from anybody in my life.
But, I pay over $40,000 a year in taxes.
That is almost HALF my paycheck.
So I am being punished for working hard and sacrificing to pull myself up higher.
But Joe Blow, working at the local convenience store to earn just enough money to keep him in weed and twinkies, pays 15 - 17% of his income.
If we paid out the same percentage, I would still be contributing over $18,000 (which is more than he makes in a year).
If EVERYONE paid 17% across the board (from single moms to billionaires) we would have so much more tax money coming in than we do now, we could fire most of the IRS and swindling cheat tax attorneys would have to get real jobs and actually contribute to something.
I should pay more dollars, sure.
But what is the justification for having to pay a higher %?
Then there are people like my father, who feel it is below him to take a job at a gas station, collect unemployment and spend it all at the local bar.
When I couldn't find a job in my field, I worked two full-time jobs at gas stations making less than I did when I was 17 years old, and didn't take a DIME from the government.
No, I am not a cold hearted right-wing bastard who thinks the poor deserve what they get.
I think health care should be government sponsored.
I think the government should offer people a TEMPORARY leg-up when they truly need it.
I think the ideal system would be a balance between:
The Republican ideal of small unobtrusive government and personal freedom...
The Democratic ideal of taking care of those who truly need it...
The Socialist Democrat ideal that our basic needs should be taken care of...
...and my own personal ideal that if you CAN work, you WILL work (at whatever you do best) or you simply don't eat, and your children will be given to someone more responsible.
You should have the right to not work, but if you make that choice, you made that choice.
Be a part of the "society" (I hate that word) or fend for yourself.
To be perfectly honest, I don't even agree with the capitalist system at all.
The ideal, that people that work harder will be rewarded for that hard work, is quite obviously bull****.
People who know and manipulate the tax laws get rewarded.
People who lie, cheat, swindle and steal get rewarded.
People who stay at home pretending they are looking for jobs are rewarded.
People who decide they don't want to work are rewarded (if they know the system).
Honest people who work hard...
We foot the bill for everyone else.
The biggest problem with "the land of opportuinty" is that the we have spoon fed everyone with our golden promises of freedom, opportuinity, entitlements and the all-mighty dollar since the 50's.
We are told from the time we can walk that we have a right to this, and a right to that.
We are free to do what we wish.
Life, Libery and the Pursuit of the easy buck.
But we are not taught that with great freedom comes even greater responsibility.
We have managed to get more demanding and less responsible at the same time.
We want all the luxuries, but no accountability.
We complain that health care cost too much, but we sue doctors for billions of dollars ever year.
We ***** that the public school system sucks, but we ***** when someone wants to spend money on it.
We complain that our taxes are too high, but we vote for people who want to generate more government jobs, more government programs, more government spending.
We complain that all politicians are dishonest, but not only do we vote them in, we allow them to pass the laws that allow them to BE corrupt.
Besides, no one would ever vote for the guy who was honest, anyway.
People don't want to hear the truth.
They want someone to tell them that everything is going to be fine, and their taxes won't go up.
Drugs should be legalized.
However, if you do drugs so much that you can't afford to eat...
Go ****ing hungry!
Ahem...
I guess I got a little off on a tangent there.
Bit of a passionate subject for me.
Doesn't take much to set me off.
I will let it go for now.
[:)]
Originally posted by Zantra
It only SEEMS that the richer people pay less taxes. While this may be true in practice, it's not by design. Richer people can afford very expensive accountants who can find legal loopholes. they're just working the system. In practice, the percentage of income tax goes UP not down, the higher the pay.
I think we need to define "rich".
Like I said, you reach the highest tax bracket at about $95,000.
I hardly consider that "rich" if rich people can afford "very expensive accountants".
Single people who earn between $45,000 and $125,000, have no children and do not own a home pay the most taxes.
Them, and the struggling small business owners.
Originally posted by Dimitri Terryn
The thing is, having a good degree or being hard working does not make you rich. Being born into money and being well connected does.
Who has been feeding you that self-pitying, pathetic victim complex?
My father was a raging alchoholic who dropped out of school in the 8th grade.
My mother barely scraped by working ****-wage jobs to feed her 4 children.
I never had, nor do I have now any connections.
I don't have any degrees either.
I worked my *** off, and earned what I have with long hours, dedication and work ethics.
Which is exactly why I get so pissed off when people who have no right to what I have earned claim they "deserve" it.
Monique
Nov12-03, 11:20 AM
If EVERYONE paid 17% across the board (from single moms to billionaires) we would have so much more tax money coming in than we do now, we could fire most of the IRS and swindling cheat tax attorneys would have to get real jobs and actually contribute to something.
I should pay more dollars, sure. I haven't finished reading your post yet (getting there), but I wanted to comment on what you said there.
First of all, why would single moms have to pay as much % money as billionairs, don't they deserve a break?
Second, we DO need people to operate gas stations, waitresses, conviencience store workers etc, they barely make the minimum wage.. if you want to tax them more, you'd have to increase their wages, which doesn't make sense.
Monique
Nov12-03, 11:34 AM
Originally posted by one_raven
Which is exactly why I get so pissed off when people who have no right to what I have earned claim they "deserve" it. So, I finished reading your post [:D]
I agree with you that people who work really hard for their money should enjoy it.
The thing that gets to me is the view that rich people work hard for their money, I've never been the head of a company, so I don't know what kind of work they do.. but what is in my head is that their job is to place signatures and hire the best employees :P jk
But to conclude, if you don't want to live in an anarchy, you have to pay money to the government. People who make little money already have a hard time tying the knots, you cannot pluck a bald chicken, so it seems logic to me that the 'burden' is placed on people with more wellware.
Why wonder about a gross income anyway? Why not think: I make $x net a year and that is way more than other people make.. everyone with the same income has to pay the same amount of tax right (basically) so why feel held behind?
adrenaline
Nov12-03, 12:43 PM
Originally posted by Monique
? why do women make less money ?
Here is an interesting take on the wage gap "myth".see link http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba/ba392/
I agree with most of what it has to say.
For the record, I am a female, senior partner in a business and make hiring and salary decisions so no wage gap exists in my partnership.
Monique
Nov12-03, 01:05 PM
Everyone is starting to have faces, I like that [t)] [:D]
Originally posted by adrenaline
Here is an interesting take on the wage gap "myth".see link http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba/ba392/
I agree with most of what it has to say.
For the record, I am a female, senior partner in a business and make hiring and salary decisions so no wage gap exists in my partnership.
I read the article, and on the surface, it is fairly convincing. This line destroys her whole point though:
Women who hold positions and have skills and experience similar to those of men face wage disparities of less than 10 percent, and many are within a couple of points. Claims of unequal pay almost always involve comparing apples and oranges.
She makes this seem like a statement supporting the idea that there is little or no gender discrimination in pay, when it is the exact opposite. A 10% pay deficiency is huge. This was considering all other factors to be equal, ie, women were compared to men in the same field, with the same education and experience.
Njorl
adrenaline
Nov12-03, 02:15 PM
True. It's not to say that wage discrimination doesn't exist. It does but perhaps to a lesser extent than previously thought. The article does point to the confounding factors that are not clearly delinated when the numbers are crunched to show the pay discrepancy. I do know in the health field, male nurses , on average, have a higher salary than females, and there are no differences in hours worked.
I find nurses to be one of the most confusing employment situations around. There is a nursing shortage, but hospitals do whatever they can to keep nurses wages down. They lay off experienced nurses to hire cheap ones, then lose fortunes in malpractice suits because of incorrect medication administered by overworked and undertrained nurses. Nurses need to go on a good-old-fashioned scab-beating, tire-slashing, nationwide strike.
Njorl
one_raven
Nov13-03, 07:56 PM
Originally posted by Monique
? why do women make less money ?
We can spend countless hours discussing:
The historical roles of women in society...
The formation of Patriarchal society...
The fact that the concept of equal rights for women is still relatively young and muddling ahead to break outdated stereotypes and concepts...
The evolutionary/biological aspect of men being (on the whole) more agressive, competitive and physically strong due to testosterone etc...
The common view (though slowly decreasing) that men are better/more suited/more productive (etc) than women at this job or that one...
The concept that, in America, women joined the work-force (as a common occurrence) during WWII in economically depressed times setting a precedent...
The idea that, historically, women HAD to take less money if they wanted a job otherwise the company would have just hired a man....
The imbalanced social construct of men NEEDING more money because they are traditionally the "bread-winners" and supporting their families...
Blah blah blah...
No one will ever agree fully WHY it happened...
Or we can look at the simple answer:
Because it is possible.
If the company can get away with paying women less money to do the same job, they will.
That is not only the result, but the aim of a capitalist system.
"Do what you can to make more money."
It all comes down to the "bottom line".
If women are willing to take jobs that pay less, then they will be paid less.
I know it is not quite that simple, because sometimes it is a survival necessity to take a job that pays less than it "should".
But it really does dome down to that simple fact.
Employers pay women less because employers can pay women less.
one_raven
Nov13-03, 07:57 PM
Originally posted by Njorl
I find nurses to be one of the most confusing employment situations around. There is a nursing shortage, but hospitals do whatever they can to keep nurses wages down. They lay off experienced nurses to hire cheap ones, then lose fortunes in malpractice suits because of incorrect medication administered by overworked and undertrained nurses. Nurses need to go on a good-old-fashioned scab-beating, tire-slashing, nationwide strike.
Ever spoken to a teacher in the public school system?
Originally posted by one_raven
We can spend countless hours discussing:
The historical roles of women in society...
The formation of Patriarchal society...
The fact that the concept of equal rights for women is still relatively young and muddling ahead to break outdated stereotypes and concepts...
The evolutionary/biological aspect of men being (on the whole) more agressive, competitive and physically strong due to testosterone etc...
The common view (though slowly decreasing) that men are better/more suited/more productive (etc) than women at this job or that one...
The concept that, in America, women joined the work-force (as a common occurrence) during WWII in economically depressed times setting a precedent...
The idea that, historically, women HAD to take less money if they wanted a job otherwise the company would have just hired a man....
The imbalanced social construct of men NEEDING more money because they are traditionally the "bread-winners" and supporting their families...
Blah blah blah...
No one will ever agree fully WHY it happened...
Or we can look at the simple answer:
Because it is possible.
If the company can get away with paying women less money to do the same job, they will.
That is not only the result, but the aim of a capitalist system.
"Do what you can to make more money."
It all comes down to the "bottom line".
If women are willing to take jobs that pay less, then they will be paid less.
I know it is not quite that simple, because sometimes it is a survival necessity to take a job that pays less than it "should".
But it really does dome down to that simple fact.
Employers pay women less because employers can pay women less.
Consider also the social differences between men and women. Women tend to have children and raise them. Once you get past a certain level, extra hours tend to be required and expected. midlevel management and above can't be realistic about a 9-5 job. The workplace is just too competitive. If there is a salary difference at higher levels, it is due to the requirements of the job. It is the perception that if a woman has a family, she can't commit the time and energy that a lot of single men, or even men with stay at home wives to take care of the kids can. Is this necessarily fair? Yes and no. It could be argued that regardless of sex, if you're unwilling or unable to make the same commitment to a job as a man is, then you loose out. I interact with executives on a daily basis, and yes, there are women in the ranks. 90 percent are single. The rest have children who are older, or stay at home husbands to take care of the kids. If there's a board meeting at 5pm, and you have to leave to pick up the kids from day care, or take little suzie to band practice, you are at a disadvantage. That is why there there is a disparity. Is it fair to penalize someone with a family? Not necessarily, but the needs of the business at most companies come before the personal needs of the individual. When there is a conflict, the needs of the business come first.
This is obviously just one factor among many, and I'm sure if a woman is the most qualified for a position, exceptions are made,but that's the stark reality of it. At some point you have to make a choice between your career and a family. That is why there are so many single, childless women in high level positions.
one_raven
Nov13-03, 09:23 PM
Monique,
I responded to your replies with this thread:
The more you earn the more they deserve? (http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8899)
Adrian Baker
Nov14-03, 01:29 PM
In the UK, and many other countries, there is an Equal Pay act that makes it illegal to pay women less. Therefore arguments about 'paying women less' aren't anything at all to do with outright discrimination. It is, as Zantra says, more to do with other factors.
I chose to go into teaching, when my daughter was born so that I could have a good (and enjoyable) career, but more importantly, I wanted time with my daughter. My wife is the 'career first' type of woman who loves the cut and thrust of senior management and is determined to climb 'the slippery pole'.
In my job, all teachers, male and female or on the same salary scale, and there is NO discrimination whatsoever. I earn far less than my wife however, and her salary is far better than some in her line of business, but not as good as others. Being Male or Female is not a factor for her either - it is truly a matter of how talented you are, and how much time you are prepared to dedicate to the job.
Lower pay for women is more a reflection of lifestyle choices they make.
I chose family over job, and hence earn far less than other male friends with similar qualifications and skills.
'Society' or 'discrimination' is not to blame for my so called 'predicament'!!!!
Originally posted by one_raven
Ever spoken to a teacher in the public school system?
Quite often. I am a proud product of the Philadelphia public school system. At my lab, we often employ high school students in a program to give them experience, and I meet many public high school physics teachers. I must say, they are doing a fantastic job. The students I meet are dedicated, enthusiastic and very well taught. I still find it hard to believe how many of them have already completed partial differential equations course before graduating.
The places I've lived have actually had pretty good teacher compensation. I realize they are the exception, not the norm though. Back in the '80's I considered quitting my job as a physicist to go into teaching - for the increase in pay. I'm glad I didn't.
Njorl
adrenaline
Nov15-03, 10:04 AM
Originally posted by Adrian Baker
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I chose to go into teaching, when my daughter was born so that I could have a good (and enjoyable) career, but more importantly, I wanted time with my daughter.
Wow! My husband gave up his career as a controls engineer and is now a full time "domestic engineer" for our two year old daughter. It was the only way I could continue my full time work and teaching. Your wife and I are lucky women! It is unfortunate that most people don't realize that the hardest and most important job in the world is still being a parent.
*All data for calendar-year 2000.
Yes that is definetly out of date. Just last year i was looking in one of those yearly published books and it said top 16% of astrophysicists/ physicists make over $106,000 and the rest average around 90,000 i believe. Pharmacist should also be on that list. The starting salary is currently around 80,000/85,000 (out of college) and i have a pharmacist in the family that makes well over 90,000 a year...but he has done it for over 20 years
Integral
Nov19-03, 03:27 AM
A very good paying job has been totally left off the lists. I am making neary $90k/yr as a High Tech industry Technician. For the most part my peers have a 2yr Technical degree, so as far as bang for the buck there are few better degrees to be had. There are a few women, and a few non-Caucausian techs, for the most part we are male white, why? It seems to me that that the hiring practices actually favor non male non white but the pool of qualified people is small and fewer still are not white males, why?
I do not know, it is execellent work, stimulating, and challenging, generally not dirty, with some need to deal with hazardoud materials. I do have to work long hours (get Overtime, which is a substancial portion of my income) and I work graveyard shift, the tools must be kept running.
You need an analytic mind and wide range of technical skills, electronics, electo-mechanical, and pneumatic to hit the main ones these all must be combined with troubleshooting skills.
But look at the pay.
Almost several years back, when I was deciding what career to take, medicine was one of my considerations. High wages and an apparently 'recession proof' career were the selling points of that profession.
It would seem that those figures did not take into account malpractice insurance premiums or the possibility of getting infected by something your patients are carrying. Ungrateful patients would really make my day too.
IIRC psychiatrists also have the highest suicide rates amongst doctors. Pretty ironic.
hasnain721
May18-08, 02:37 PM
http://editorial.careers.msn.com/articles/highestpay/
doctors, doctors, doctors..
1. Surgeons
$65.89/hr
$137,050/yr
2. Obstetricians and gynecologists
$64.15/hr
$133,430/yr
3. Anesthesiologists
$63.31/hr
$131,680/yr
4. Internists, general
$61.03/hr
$126,940/yr
5. Pediatricians, general
$56.03/hr
$116,550/yr
6. Psychiatrists
$54.60/hr
$113,570/yr
7. Family and general practitioners
$52.89/hr
$110,020/yr
8. Dentists
$53.28/hr
$110,820/yr
9. Chief Executives
$51.77/hr
$107,670/yr
10. Airline pilots, copilots and flight engineers
(N/A)
$99,400/yr
11. Podiatrists
$45.43/hr
$94,500/yr
12. Lawyers
$44.19/hr
$91,920/yr
13. Optometrists
$42.35/hr
$88,100/yr
14. Computer and information systems managers
$40.33/hr
$83,890/yr
15. Physicists
$40.26/hr
$83,750/yr
16. Air traffic controllers
$40.07/hr
$83,350/yr
17. Petroleum Engineers
$39.33/hr
$81,800/yr
18. Nuclear Engineers
$38.56/hr
$80,200/yr
19. Judges, magistrate judges, and magistrates
$38.24/hr
$79,540/yr
20. Marketing Managers
$37.70/hr
$78,410/yr
when u say physicists, what do you mean? people who work for companies such as CERN?
_Mayday_
May18-08, 02:50 PM
Physics pays well. But which part of physics?
Darkiekurdo
May18-08, 03:24 PM
What an up. :rolleyes:
http://editorial.careers.msn.com/articles/highestpay/
doctors, doctors, doctors..
Monique, do you have any information on the average working week of those professions ? I mean, i have a brother who is about to become a radiologist. In addition to that, i have some friends that are specializing to become surgeon. Now, in Belgium, surgeons earn up to 10000-15000 euro's a month (after taxes and working in a bigger hospital) BUT they do have 70-80 hours working weeks !
So, not only the yearly income counts, also the amount of hours you have to work to earn those amounts plays an important role in those statistics !
marlon
edit : i work in the second biggest bank of Belgium. Now, people on the highest level do earn loads and loads of money (10000-20000 euro's per month after taxes, without the benefits likes shares and stuff) but they have incredible working week schedules. Than, you have people earning 3000 euro's after taxes. But they work from 9 to 5 pm. So, who is the richest ?
hasnain721
May18-08, 04:44 PM
Monique, do you have any information on the average working week of those professions ? I mean, i have a brother who is about to become a radiologist. In addition to that, i have some friends that are specializing to become surgeon. Now, in Belgium, surgeons earn up to 10000-15000 euro's a month (after taxes and working in a bigger hospital) BUT they do have 70-80 hours working weeks !
So, not only the yearly income counts, also the amount of hours you have to work to earn those amounts plays an important role in those statistics !
marlon
edit : i work in the second biggest bank of Belgium. Now, people on the highest level do earn loads and loads of money (10000-20000 euro's per month after taxes, without the benefits likes shares and stuff) but they have incredible working week schedules. Than, you have people earning 3000 euro's after taxes. But they work from 9 to 5 pm. So, who is the richest ?
thats true mate but the thing says 'physicists' and not 'physicians'
thats true mate but the thing says 'physicists' and not 'physicians'
What the hell do you mean ? I am just talking about doctors, for they ARE the top earners. One should not only look at dazzling figures but also at the dazzling working schedules. What on earth does this have to do with physicists or physicians ?
marlon
Integral
May18-08, 04:51 PM
Note that all put the last half dozen posts in this thread are over 4yrs old.
hasnain721
May18-08, 04:54 PM
What the hell do you mean ? I am just talking about doctors, for they ARE the top earners. One should not only look at dazzling figures but also at the dazzling working schedules. What on earth does this have to do with physicists or physicians ?
marlon
First of all calm down, relax have a drink.
Then, re read what i wrote. PHYSICISTS were listed as the top 14th best earners. So my questions was what does a physicist mean because a physicists can be working in any field from optics to nuclear etc etc. So my question was which field of phsics could earn you the top 14th position in the league table of the higest earners.
AND u started talking about doctors so i can ask u the same question, "What on earth does this have to do with physicists or physicians ?"
.......and finally, learn some manners.
First of all calm down, relax have a drink.
I am already drunk, so...
Then, re read what i wrote. PHYSICISTS were listed as the top 14th best earners. So my questions was what does a physicist mean because a physicists can be working in any field from optics to nuclear etc etc. So my question was which field of phsics could earn you the top 14th position in the league table of the higest earners.
You wrote :
thats true mate but the thing says 'physicists' and not 'physicians'
Now, you say that you asked about which physics field ? I don't see that question in your last post. Maybe because i am drunk ?
Why am i talking about doctors ? Because they are THE top earners. That's all. Didn't you read the list ?
marlon
hasnain721
May18-08, 05:02 PM
I am already drunk, so...
You wrote :
thats true mate but the thing says 'physicists' and not 'physicians'
Now, you say that you asked about which physics field ? I don't see that question in your last post. Maybe because i am drunk ?
Why am i talking about doctors ? Because they are THE top earners. That's all. Didn't you read the list ?
marlon
With all due respect,
i dont understand y u even bother.
Let me repost what i have posted :
when u say physicists, what do you mean? people who work for companies such as CERN? was my question rite based on these statistics :
15. Physicists
$40.26/hr
$83,750/yr
So my question was/is that which part of physics can get a good job? And you started talking about medicine. How is medicine related to physics?
This is a great site to look up salaries in the US. This is accurate and up to date.
This page is for "Software engineers", my friend makes $150,000 a year.
According to Robert Half Technology, starting salaries for software engineers in software development ranged from $66,500 to $99,750 in 2007
http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos267.htm
Physicists and Astronomers
http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos052.htm
Just click on the A-Z index at the top to look up whatever job title you want.
Anesthesiology over 1 year in specialty $321,686 annually. That's what the Evo child wants to be.
With all due respect,
i dont understand y u even bother.
Let me repost what i have posted :
when u say physicists, what do you mean? people who work for companies such as CERN? was my question rite based on these statistics :
15. Physicists
$40.26/hr
$83,750/yr
So my question was/is that which part of physics can get a good job? And you started talking about medicine. How is medicine related to physics?
:rofl:
But i NEVER talked about physicists in the first place. Quit turning things around, dude. All iever said was : doctors are indeed the top earners but one should also look at the heavy working schedules that those people have. That's all.
The YOU reacted to my post by saying : "thats true mate but the thing says 'physicists' and not 'physicians' "
So,
1) you ask me why i bother while it was YOU who first reacted to my post ?????
2) How does this answer of yours relate to ANYTHING i said in my post towards MONIQUE ?
Pfff,
marlon
hasnain721
May18-08, 05:07 PM
This is a great site to look up salaries in the US.
This page is for "Software engineers", my friend makes $150,000 a year.
http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos267.htm
thanks............what about physicists?
This is a great site to look up salaries in the US.
This page is for "Software engineers", my friend makes $150,000 a year.
http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos267.htm
Evo has rich friends...
Is this friend a hot single woman ?
marlon
thanks............what about physicists?
or doctors....
marlon
hasnain721
May18-08, 05:08 PM
:rofl:
But i NEVER talked about physicists in the first place. Quit turning things around, dude. All iever said was : doctors are indeed the top earners but one should also look at the heavy working schedules that those people have. That's all.
The YOU reacted to my post by saying : "thats true mate but the thing says 'physicists' and not 'physicians' "
So,
1) you ask me why i bother while it was YOU who first reacted to my post ?????
2) How does this answer of yours relate to ANYTHING i said in my post towards MONIQUE ?
Pfff,
marlon
oooooh skeeeen...i thout u were talking to me. The 'quote' button is there for a reason mate.
oooooh skeeeen...i thout u were talking to me. The 'quote' button is there for a reason mate.
To what post are you refering ? Just point out the number.
I reacted to what Monique stated. That's all. Then you jumped in.
You are making no sense at all MATE
marlon
edit : and how about you answering my two questions, huh, matie
hasnain721
May18-08, 05:11 PM
To what post are you refering ? Just point out the number.
marlon
maaaate,
jus dun worry innit. I am not here to argue ...if u want to i dont! I've got better things to do and stop quoting my posts because i am trying to find an answer to my question :
which field in physics can get u one of the top paying job?
maaaate,
jus dun worry innit. I am not here to argue ...if u want to i dont! I've got better things to do and stop quoting my posts because i am trying to find an answer to my question :
which field in physics can get u one of the top paying job?
I am sorry, but YOU started reacting to what i said. You started quoting me, mate !
Now, you say stop quoting me ??? :rofl:
priceless, but very common...
edit : to get a top paying job, you don't need to go into physics. Did you NOT read the list ???
hasnain721
May18-08, 05:13 PM
i am not even gonna bother ,
anybody else ,
which field in physics can get u one of the top paying job?
Thanks.
i am not even gonna bother ,
anybody else ,
which field in physics can get u one of the top paying job?
Thanks.
Me neither, but stop asking stupid questions then
Besides, READ THE LIST !!!! Physics does not gonna make you rich
which field in physics can get u one of the top paying job?You are not going to get rich as a physicist, nor can you predict which specialties will be in the highest demand years from now unless you have a crystal ball. If you want to earn a lot of money, accept a low-paying job in a marginal business with very generous performance bonuses, then work your tail off and exceed the company's expectations. It ain't easy, but it works.
hasnain721
May18-08, 05:17 PM
Me neither, but stop asking stupid questions then
how the hell is it a stupid question?????
Besides, READ THE LIST !!!! Physics does not gonna make you rich
[/QUOTE]
15. Physicists
$40.26/hr
$83,750/yr
time to visit specsavers innit.
hasnain721
May18-08, 05:19 PM
You are not going to get rich as a physicist, nor can you predict which specialties will be in the highest demand years from now unless you have a crystal ball. If you want to earn a lot of money, accept a low-paying job in a marginal business with very generous performance bonuses, then work your tail off and exceed the company's expectations. It ain't easy, but it works.
thanks for replying turbo,
i understand what you mean. However, the list lists physicists as 15th among the top earners. Does that mean that a physics degree can get you a good paying job overall or can it get u a job in some where like CERN which is a top paying job?
thanks............what about physicists?Physicists and Astronomers
http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos052.htm
or doctors....
marlonhttp://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos074.htm
thanks for replying turbo,
i understand what you mean. However, the list lists physicists as 15th among the top earners. Does that mean that a physics degree can get you a good paying job overall or can it get u a job in some where like CERN which is a top paying job?In physics, you generally can jockey for a decent position (if you've got the smarts) and gain a relatively safe and modest wage. If you are willing to take risks and work for relatively lower wages with generous performance bonuses, you can clean up.
hasnain721
May18-08, 05:30 PM
In physics, you generally can jockey for a decent position (if you've got the smarts) and gain a relatively safe and modest wage. If you are willing to take risks and work for relatively lower wages with generous performance bonuses, you can clean up.
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THanks
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THanksDid you see this?
Physicists and Astronomers
http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos052.htm
I see.....
THanksI should have been clearer. You have to get into a field in which you can leverage your talents and your work-ethic. You can make a lot more money in a competitive sales environment than you ever could as a scientist (assuming that you can't write a wildly successful popular-level book about your field).
wildman
May18-08, 11:30 PM
http://editorial.careers.msn.com/articles/highestpay/
doctors, doctors, doctors..
1. Surgeons
$65.89/hr
$137,050/yr
Hmmm... I find that hard to believe. I know surgeons in the million dollar a year range. While not all of them make that much, none that I know of make less than two or three hundred thousand unless they are working for a volunteer organization or such or the army.
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