How Would the Universe Appear if Light and Gravity Were Instantaneous?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the hypothetical implications of light and gravity being instantaneous since the big bang, examining how this would affect our perception of the universe, the behavior of celestial bodies, and the nature of communication across distances.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that if light and gravity were instantaneous, phenomena could be observed simultaneously by different observers, fundamentally altering our understanding of distance and time.
  • One viewpoint posits that gravitational changes would occur immediately, affecting orbits and the perception of celestial events without delay.
  • Another participant argues that the inability to study galaxies formed shortly after the big bang would lead to a uniform appearance of galaxies, resembling the Milky Way, and would obscure the age of the universe.
  • There is a suggestion that communication delays, such as those experienced in phone calls, would be eliminated, leading to a more immediate exchange of information.
  • Some participants speculate that if the universe is infinite, the night sky would be uniformly bright, akin to the surface of the sun, which would change our understanding of the cosmos.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of speculative ideas about the implications of instantaneous light and gravity, with no consensus reached on the overall effects or the nature of the universe under these conditions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various assumptions about the nature of light and gravity, the structure of the universe, and the implications for communication and observation, which remain unresolved.

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How would our present universe appear to us if light and gravity were either instantaneous since the big bang, or gradually so, marked by relatively recent events?
 
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Then we would have not used the term " from place A to place B" , because everything would be instantaneous, a phenomena at one place could be seen simultaneously by different observers.

The amount of Gravitational field at one place would remain same due to a particular source , The Earth would rotate in the same exact orbit as before but the light from sun would not take more than 8 minutes to reach us but it would be an instantaneous process and the change in gravitational field around us would be instantaneous , there would be rapid change in fields around us .

If the sun would have lost itself somewhere , the gravitational attraction due to sun would dimnish immediately, the same instant the sun loses itself , the same instant we would lose the orbit .

Ofcourse the days would be longer , we would be able to spot the sun 8 minutes before, and maybe a bit more earlier.

Special Relativity would not have been important at all , the 'cause' and 'effect' would take place simultaneously.Travelling at speed of light would not have been controversial ,

SETI people would feel a sigh of relief , as sending mesages to other civilations would not have been that difficult , the limitations of radiowave-instruments as a message transfer device would not have been a problem.
 
We wouldn't be able to study galaxies that formed shortly after the big bang. More galaxies would look like the Milky Way. We wouldn't have a clue as to the age of the universe. And when you talked on the phone to people overseas, that annoying 1/4 - 1/2 second lag would be gone.
 
Dr.Brain said:
Ofcourse the days would be longer , we would be able to spot the sun 8 minutes before, and maybe a bit more earlier.
You might want to think this one through a bit. :rolleyes:
 
Loren Booda said:
How would our present universe appear to us if light and gravity were either instantaneous since the big bang,...

If the universe is infinite, then the night sky would be as bright as the surface of the sun.

We would have no knowledge of the past history of the universe.
 

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