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Greetings !
Well, this forum appears to be a bit "slow"
lately. So, nothing like a controversial
(and bloody [:D]) multiple page discussion,
(orginally from PF2) about how the female
mind works - to get it moving again.
Try to answer all the critical aspects (and
get frustratingly dissapointed, as usual, at the
lack of any clear answers [:D]).
Live long and prosper.
Com'mon !
- What do gals like most in a guy(and is there
such a thing at all) ?
- What do they think of guys in general ?
- Why do gals appear to lack sense of
humour and sometimes have "female ego" ?
(Their answer to such a question will be an
example of that I bet. [:D])
- Does size matter ? (Of IQ, of course. [;)])
- Anything else you always wondered about
but never dared to ask...[:D]
I'm putting myself in serious danger here
just to get the thread going [:D] - don't
let my sacrifice be in vain !
Live long and prosper.
Entropia
Apr6-03, 06:39 AM
First off... I would like to clarify that I am female.
- What do gals like most in a guy(and is there
such a thing at all) ?
answer: Of course, I can only speak for my personal experience and this question is difficult for me to answer because there are a lot of issues involved. But if somebody *really* wants to know the answer to this question, they can just PM me.
But to reduce it down to the lowest common denominator... and of course, also a generalization... one can increase the probability of recieving the affection of a female by doing the following:
1) making them feel good.
2) making them laugh.
Seriously.
- What do they think of guys in general ?
answer: I personally get along much better with males. I hate to say this, but women drive me crazy for very involved reasons which I wont go into at the moment. Consequently, the vast majority of my friends are male. I have noticed that this is not unusual for the "female science nerds" type. Perhaps an over generalization...
- Why do gals appear to lack sense of
humour and sometimes have "female ego" ?
(Their answer to such a question will be an
example of that I bet. )
answer: Ha! First off, I have a sense of humor, and most females I havce come across, I have noticed, have one. If anything, perhaps the females you have come across have a different kind of sense of humor than you do. And, I have no idea what you mean by the "female ego" bit.
- Does size matter ? (Of IQ, of course. )
answer: Sure!
- Anything else you always wondered about
but never dared to ask...
answer: Go on... I'll answer anything.
"How does the female mind work ?"
That, I do believe, was the question ... Was it not?
Taking for granted that 'mind' = 'brain', I'd have to
say: 'Basically, the same as the male's 'mind', but with
different priorities and sensitivities due to a different
hormonal environment.'
[a)]
Greetings !
Originally posted by Entropia
- Why do gals appear to lack sense of
humour and sometimes have "female ego" ?
(Their answer to such a question will be an
example of that I bet. )
answer: Ha! First off, I have a sense of humor, and most females I havce come across, I have noticed, have one. If anything, perhaps the females you have come across have a different kind of sense of humor than you do. And, I have no idea what you mean by the "female ego" bit.
[:D]
Entropia,
That's exactly what I mean. [;)]
If you were to critisize a guy (or me at least)
in the above way - I'd find it funny and
respond with some joke or at most - ask why ?
Gals ussualy "dig in" and take it as an insult
right away and try to either justify themselves or
even "strike back" (which I must credit you for not doing).
Looks like an ego to me...[;)]
Chagur,
"different priorities and sensitivities" - Go on ! [;)]
Live long and prosper.
Kind of amusing to this thread in the How Stuff Works forum...
I can't see how a group of minds can be expected to work the same. I wonder what you'd call a 'female mind'. One that belongs to a female, or one that thinks like a 'typical' female? Would you say you think like other males, Drag? Sorry if that sounds like waffle. I blame it on sleep deprivation...
Basic (universal?)
Re. different priorities:
Female: Select impregnator; retain impregnator while incubating new life;
protect and teach resulting offspring while retaining selected impregnator;
when offspring is sufficiently independent, repeat (usually with initial impregnator).
Male: Impregnate accepting female; possibly bond with female, feed and protect if bonded;
possibly bond with offspring, feed and protect if bonding occurs;
re-impregnate accepting female if bonding has occurred, else
impregnate another accepting female.
Re. different sensitivities:
Female: Must avoid anything which may endanger a fetus.
Male: Must avoid anything which may endanger his status.
Those are the things that come to mind.
[a)]
Entropia
Apr6-03, 09:55 PM
Originally posted by Paradox
Kind of amusing to this thread in the How Stuff Works forum...
I can't see how a group of minds can be expected to work the same. I wonder what you'd call a 'female mind'. One that belongs to a female, or one that thinks like a 'typical' female? Would you say you think like other males, Drag? Sorry if that sounds like waffle. I blame it on sleep deprivation...
I think... what can be refered to as the "female mind" is the "feminine gendered mind".
What I mean by that is... gender is a social construct (keeping in mind that there is a difference between "gender" and "sex").
I was raised to be feminine and heterosexual. -I was raised to wear the clothing sold in the female clothing stores, shave my legs, armpits, wear make up, walk a certain way, have a certain kind of body language, look a certain way... etc. That is part of the feminine gender role i was programmed with. People respond to such gendered behavior in certain ways, and one engages with the world in certain ways because of that. Hence, the shaping of what I think drag might be refering to as "the female mind".
There are more similiarities than there are differences amongst males and females... its just that the differences are exagerated.
On that note..
F*ck gender roles.
There are more similiarities (sic.) than there are differences amongst males and females... its just that the differences are exagerated (sic.).
In that between the sexes the psychology, physiology, and endocrinology are quite different ... What is being 'exaggerated', pray tell?
[a)]
Entropia
Apr6-03, 11:51 PM
Originally posted by Chagur
In that between the sexes the psychology, physiology, and endocrinology are quite different ... What is being 'exaggerated', pray tell?
[a)]
Several!
"men do not have breasts." or, "men have a smaller chest than females."
I have seen several men that have a chest the same size or bigger than an A cup female. That particular difference is exagerated. Im not talking about C or D cups... Im talking about what some refer to as "man boobies".- Ever seen that Seinfeld episode where they invent, "the bro" (a male version of the bra?) That is what Im talking about.
"women are irrational."
Ugh. I've heard this one more times than you can shake a stick at. Irrationality is not something exclusive to females... if one is going to say "women are irrational", it would make more sense to say "humans are irrational". Oh wait, I forgot... males are perfectly logical and rational creatures. My bad.
To name a few. There are countless other differences in which are grossly exagerated.
Greetings !
Originally posted by Paradox
Kind of amusing to this thread in the How Stuff Works forum...
I can't see how a group of minds can be expected to work the same.
They don't. But, they do share some common traits.
Originally posted by Paradox
Would you say you think like other males, Drag? Sorry if that sounds like waffle. I blame it on sleep deprivation...
In general outlines - I do act like other males.
Originally posted by Entropia
I was raised to be feminine and heterosexual. -I was raised to wear the clothing sold in the female clothing stores, shave my legs, armpits, wear make up, walk a certain way, have a certain kind of body language, look a certain way... etc. That is part of the feminine gender role i was programmed with. People respond to such gendered behavior in certain ways, and one engages with the world in certain ways because of that. Hence, the shaping of what I think drag might be refering to as "the female mind".
Another intresting point Entropia. Why do gals
often seem to stress the point that they are
forced to act and think the way they do because
of the way the present world expects them to ?
Is the world really forcing it or is it more
of a "group instinct" or maybe females just
see clearly a general "trend" they wan'na follow ?
(Not that males aren't partialy the same, but they
seem to have more "freedom" nevertheless - wether
its good or bad for them.)
Originally posted by Entropia
Oh wait, I forgot... males are perfectly logical and rational creatures. My bad.
Now you're "striking back"...[:D]
A totally rational and logical "thing" is a robot
and can not be "intellegent" or "sentient".
Live long and prosper.
Entropia
Apr7-03, 01:25 AM
"Another intresting point Entropia. Why do gals
often seem to stress the point that they are
forced to act and think the way they do because
of the way the present world expects them to ?"
This can be a rather complicated and involved issue. I know several females whose self esteem is dependent on what people think about them, and how many males they can attract. Hence, they give a damn about these constructed standards of beauty... I mean, thousands of women jeopardize their health, and some even die or suffer unpleasant consequences in attempts to be "beautiful" (Im particularly talking about females with eating disorders... they are literally dying to be thin)
Entropia said:
I personally get along much better with males. I hate to say this, but women drive me crazy for very involved reasons which I wont go into at the moment. Consequently, the vast majority of my friends are male. I have noticed that this is not unusual for the "female science nerds" type. Perhaps an over generalization...
I hear this a lot from women.
I don't think it's constrained to "female science nerds". But I do observe that it tends to be a trait of "down-to-earth" women. The type that have a larger than normal amount of common sense, and the type that doesn't play quite as many mind games.
Entropia,
Your reply was so superficial and off-topic, it's not
worth attempting a serious discussion with you.
[a)]
Dj Sneaky Whiskers
Apr7-03, 09:08 PM
Originally posted by J-Man
I hear this a lot from women...But I do observe that it tends to be a trait of "down-to-earth" women. The type that have a larger than normal amount of common sense, and the type that doesn't play quite as many mind games.
This statement makes little sense to me. The implications of the stated 'observation', as well as the language used, is somewhat questionable to say the least.
Why do you believe that women with a 'larger than normal' amount of common sense and an aversion to 'mind games' are drawn towards males for friendship? The insinuation of your statement appears to be either: a) the 'normal' amount of common sense for a woman is considerably less than that for a man, the difference acting as an obstacle to the establishment of friendship between the two genders; or b) (which is, I suspect, simply an unfortunate consequence of the way the observation was phrased) That it is just good common sense to make friends with men rather than women.
Of course, there is a third possibility: That women with higher levels of common sense are capable of recognising and dismissing perceived boundaries between the genders in the context of platonic relationships. This, whilst easily being perhaps the most aggreable of the three implications does little to explain why such women are drawn to men rather than women (unless taken in conjunction with either a) or b)).
Equally dubious is the implication that 'mind games' are mainly the confined to women. Although not explicitly stated, your post does seem to infer this. Otherwise there would be no reason for a 'down to Earth' woman to be drawn towards men if it were the case that both genders were equally likely to indulge in such games.
The matter of the difference in levels of common sense is problematic as you haven't specified what you've defined as 'common sense', or how you've observed it. Do most of the women where you are play with naked flames near flammable materials? Frequently try to walk through doors before opening them? Keep getting caught up in the elaborate scams of salesmen claiming to offer magic beans? To generalise further, what's the ratio between the genders for spending wisely, sensibly preparing for an exam or a job interview, or not building castles in a swamp? I labour the point because I have a perculiar loathing of this concept of 'common sense'. It is an inconclusive and nebulous term at best, and frequently serves little purpose other than to act as an excuse not to apply rigorous analysis to complex issues or problems (i.e. "It's just common sense" being used as a justification for an argument that otherwise lacks supporting evidence).
As for the issue of the tendencies of either gender to resort to 'mind games' it is worth remembering that the doctrine of "Treat 'em mean, keep 'em keen" and the phenomenon of the 'playa'
are almost entirely attributed to male behaviour, a telling fact whether or not you consider such examples as mainly folklore. Both of the given examples make a virtue of manipulation in service to a selfish aim. Also, it is my general experience that women, just as much as men, are likely to complain of their partner playing mind games. Interestingly, one common complaint that I've heard is of men turning round at the tip of a hat and classifying even innocent behaviour on the female's part as being evidence that 'mind games' are afoot, i.e. a woman's behaviour which the male finds disagreeable is branded as manipulative and she is thus warned that any repeat of that behaviour will be met with a similar stinging assessment of their character.
Of course mind games do exist, and I would wager that both genders are equally likely to resort to them. However, it's my opinion that a lot of the claims of mind games are a combination of one party's behaviour or an aspect of their personality provoking the paranoia of the other, who then perceives that they are deliberately being manipulated. As an example, one of the most common complaints I've heard from males is that a woman is 'blowing hot and cold' on them (which, taken literally, actually sounds like quite a pleasant treat, but I digress...). The simple fact that she may not feel like being 'hot' all the time, or that her behaviour may at different times be affected by concerns about the relationship which she doesn't feel confident enough to voice seem to play little part in the reasoning of the male, who typically finds it far more satisfying to conclude that she must be either mentally unbalanced or in the midst of hatching some grand scheme to destroy his sanity. This is even more so the case should she then break off the relationship, in which case she is seen to obviously be one of Hitler's clones in drag.
This post has tended to go somewhat off topic, but that is because it is attempting to highlighting the inaccuracies in the idea of most women being silly creatures who are incapable of reigning in their preferences for manipulation and folly (an idea going back to the bible, with poor old 'Not just down to but *of* the Earth Adam being lulled into eating apples by that superficial spare rib on legs) which is implicit in the post to which this is an answer.
Entropia
Apr8-03, 01:40 AM
Originally posted by Chagur
Entropia,
Your reply was so superficial and off-topic, it's not
worth attempting a serious discussion with you.
[a)]
My answer to YOUR question... is just as "off topic" as your question (which i think... was arguably relevant enough).
Your right. Im sorry. Discussing "female" behavior in relation to gender differences and similarities have absolutely nothing to do with "how the 'female' mind works". [g)]
Okay, Entropia.
Do you accept that females, after puberty, experience pre-menstrual hormonal changes that affect behavior?
If so, please describe the male equivalent.
[a)]
Dj Sneaky Whiskers said:
This statement makes little sense to me. The implications of the stated 'observation', as well as the language used, is somewhat questionable to say the least.
I would say "very questionable" opposed to "somewhat questionable". [:)]
I wasn't sure exactly what I meant either. I couldn't come up with a good adjective and chose the poor phrase "down-to-earth". Then when even I didn't understand what that meant, I tried to clarify it better, but probably ended up muddling it further. I should have cut it shorter instead.
Why do you believe that women with a 'larger than normal' amount of common sense and an aversion to 'mind games' are drawn towards males for friendship? The insinuation of your statement appears to be either: a) the 'normal' amount of common sense for a woman is considerably less than that for a man, the difference acting as an obstacle to the establishment of friendship between the two genders; or b) (which is, I suspect, simply an unfortunate consequence of the way the observation was phrased) That it is just good common sense to make friends with men rather than women.
In no way did I intend to insinuate anything of the kind. I personally believe that neither men nor women are endowed with more common sense than the other based on their gender. As far as 'b' goes, I would say it is good common sense to make friends with people you get along with, (isn't that usually the case?) again not based purely on gender.
Equally dubious is the implication that 'mind games' are mainly the confined to women. Although not explicitly stated, your post does seem to infer this.
It was not explicitly stated because it is not what I would ever say.
I wasn't even considering the male gender in any of my pitiable phrases, and I was certainly not comparing women to men but to other women. "The type that doesn't play as many mind games" should be read as "the type of woman that doesn't play as many mind games as some other women do." Same thing for the "common sense" thing which, I agree, is particularly phrased poorly.
Let me try to start over....
I hear this a lot from women.
I don't think it's constrained to "female science nerds".
(so far so good...)
I'm not really sure what "type" of woman it is constrained to, if any, but I observe that many women that feel this way wouldn't be labeled a science nerd.
Originally posted by Chagur
If so, please describe the male equivalent.
Why bother? It doesn't matter.
How about talking about the effect changing hormones have on a woman's mind? This might lead to some insight as to how the female mind works. Since we obviously still need some clues. [;)]
Originally posted by J-Man
Why bother? It doesn't matter.
How about talking about the effect changing hormones have on a woman's mind? This might lead to some insight as to how the female mind works. Since we obviously still need some clues. [;)] I think it does matter, J-Man.
I would imagine that Entropia's replies to specific questions,
such as the one I posed, would give some 'insight' into the
workings of 'a' female's mind (taking for granted that Entropia
is a female).
[a)]
Entropia
Apr9-03, 10:32 PM
Originally posted by Chagur
Okay, Entropia.
Do you accept that females, after puberty, experience pre-menstrual hormonal changes that affect behavior?
If so, please describe the male equivalent.
[a)]
I guess. Sure. <shrugs> I do not know much about "PMS".
And the male equivalent? Im not sure about the following being a "male equivalent" per se...but, surely testosterone and other hormones in a teenage male plays a role in behavior or mood to a certain extent.
Your statement: There are more similiarities than there are differences amongst males and females... its just that the differences are exagerated.My question: Do you accept that females, after puberty, experience pre-menstrual hormonal changes that affect behavior?Your reply: I guess. Sure. <shrugs> I do not know much about "PMS".My question: If so, please describe the male equivalent.Your reply: ...but, surely testosterone and other hormones in a teenage male plays a role in behavior or mood to a certain extent.
Why, Entropia, are you unwilling to admit that there is no male equivalent to menstruation which normally occurs about thirteen times a year and is accompanied by extensive physical and hormonal changes?
Or do you consider it to be just an 'exaggerated' difference?
[a)]
lol, this is pretty amusing.What do gals like most in a guy? I find arrogance and flattery in equal measure work wonders. Why do gals appear to lack sense of humour and sometimes have "female ego"? Maybe you just aren't very funny? [;)] personally get along much better with males. I hate to say this, but women drive me crazy for very involved reasons which I wont go into at the moment. Consequently, the vast majority of my friends are male. I have noticed that this is not unusual for the "female science nerds" type. Perhaps an over generalization...Naaa, that has been my observation too. Like 90% of the girls I knew in college (at a tech school) said the same damn thing.But, surely testosterone and other hormones in a teenage male plays a role in behavior or mood to a certain extent. Yeah, it makes you ridiculously horny all the ****ing time. At least that's what *I* remember about my teenage years! [:)]
Entropia
Apr10-03, 12:46 AM
Originally posted by Chagur
Why, Entropia, are you unwilling to admit that there is no male equivalent to menstruation which normally occurs about thirteen times a year and is accompanied by extensive physical and hormonal changes?
Or do you consider it to be just an 'exaggerated' difference?
[a)]
and
"Okay, Entropia.
Do you accept that females, after puberty, experience pre-menstrual hormonal changes that affect behavior?
If so, please describe the male equivalent."
i was talking about pre-mentrual hormonal changes, not menstration itself... since that is what you mentioned in the first place. and i was talking about a "male hormonal equivalent" to that.
menstruation itself on the other hand...and if there is a male equivalent to menstruation itself, i am unaware of it. -or heck, i dont know... maybe a guy getting is sperm is an equivalent?
What is your point, Chagur?
My point, dear Entropia, is that for all practical purposes,
males and females are quite different ... of necessity.
The 'gender roles' imposed by a society depends on the
particular society ... But all societies recognize the in-
herent difference and impose 'gender roles'. To fail to
do so would be irrational.
Oh, and by the way ... If you check back I initially made
a point of avoiding the most obvious, and to my mind, the
most important 'difference': menstruation(and all that
goes with it).
[a)]
climbhi
Apr10-03, 06:49 PM
Originally posted by damgo
personally get along much better with males. I hate to say this, but women drive me crazy for very involved reasons which I wont go into at the moment. Consequently, the vast majority of my friends are male. I have noticed that this is not unusual for the "female science nerds" type. Perhaps an over generalization...
[B]Naaa, that has been my observation too. Like 90% of the girls I knew in college (at a tech school) said the same damn thing.
I'm sure people will hate me for this but, after analyzing this phenomenon quite a bit I have come to my conclusions on why it seems that many "science nerd" girls claim they hate girls and get along better with guys.
It's kind of involved so bear with me. As Entropia noted there are certain different social constructs that are applied differently to men and women. Women are expected to act differently then men. One of the most notable difference is that women are typically expected to be more attractive then men. (Being a man I have absolutely no problem with this [:D]) But many women, usually those who become "science nerds", do have a problem with this. They become fed up with the standard, usually out of laziness, and decide to defect.
Once they have decided to defect they will go to great lengths to claim that all women who do abide by the social standards are just shallow ditzy girls with no real personality or mental capability who are "dying to be thin" and attractive. They claim that in reality the women still doing this really deep down hate doing it but are too chicked to jump outside of the norms (let me just say here this is totall crap, I know several girls who are drop dead gorgeous, who are completely happy with the effort they put into looking nice, they are not dying to be thin, have just as much personality as science nerd girls and are quite smart... anyway...)
Now having defected and spending great amounts of energy trashing their former contemporaries they have to find new comrades. Because their in denial they will try to go as far from feminine things as possible, and venture into the world of typically "boys only clubs." These clubs typically are sports, math/science, and a few various others allthough these are the main ones. A few of the women go to play sports with the boys. However most realize they are at a genetic disadvantage when playing sports with boys and so they decide to go to the other historically boys only club; math and science and engineering. Here they develop friends just as in anyother situation, but they are mostly male friends hence the "I don't get along with girls, most my friends are guys."
I do think that in the coming decades we will see a change in this trend. Math/Science and Engineering are becoming less and less a boys only club and are becoming increasingly populated by feminine girls. Given time enough feminine girls will be in these fields that those girls who are defecting will no longer see math/science as the boys only club escape that it once was. Where they'll go then I'm not sure. Sports, maybe? Nah, there still smart enough to realize that they can't make it there. So I think that they will head off to womens rights groups. As these groups are typically made of those who have defected and may be their last chance to get away from feminine girls. At least in womens rights groups their not with feminine girls even though its not as good as science.
Entropia
Apr11-03, 04:13 AM
chagur, how would not imposing gender roles be irrational?
eNtRopY
Apr11-03, 01:33 PM
Originally posted by climbhi
I'm sure people will hate me for this but, after analyzing this phenomenon quite a bit I have come to my conclusions on why it seems that many "science nerd" girls claim they hate girls and get along better with guys.
I like science and girls. Serioulsy, I have never had a close male friend... but I've always been popular with the ladies... I guess I just have more of a Schroedinger personality than any other kind.
eNtRopY
climbhi
Apr11-03, 08:31 PM
Originally posted by eNtRopY
I like science and girls. Serioulsy, I have never had a close male friend... but I've always been popular with the ladies... I guess I just have more of a Schroedinger personality than any other kind.
eNtRopY
Entropy, at least in my observations the same conclusions I made do not hold for guys, only for girls...
Greetings !
Glad to see the thread is growing ! [:)]
climbhi,
That was a very weird "speech".
I think the "shock waves" are yet to come (we
only have Entropia here representing the female
"side" for now and she's fairly cool about
this discussion.) [;)]
I guess it has some truth in it though.
Live long and prosper.
Originally posted by Entropia
chagur, how would not imposing gender roles be irrational? Insofar as 'society' is an aggregation of defined 'roles', failure to assign specific male/female 'roles', gender roles, results in the confusion, the ennui, many individuals in Western, or Westernized, cultures are experiencing - Thus, irrational.
How the 'female mind' works is a red herring.
Recognition of the difference is what matters.
Unfortunately in these PC times, serious research in this area is, for all practical purposes, impossible.
[a)]
Echo 6 Sierra
Apr17-03, 01:53 PM
This is all unnecessary. With all the hormones from BCP's being flushed into our water supply we'll all be female eventually. NOT that that's a BAD thing.(shhh, don't tell my sisters)
What's BCPs ?
Originally posted by Echo 6 Sierra
...we'll all be female eventually. NOT that
that's a BAD thing.
Hmm...Hmm...my personal opinion is slightly
different, but let's leave it at that...[;)]
Live long and prosper.
Echo 6 Sierra
Apr17-03, 03:58 PM
BCP's = Birth Control Pills.
Ooh...
Why become females ? What's in a birth control pill ?
iansmith
Apr19-03, 08:37 AM
Originally posted by drag
Ooh...
Why become females ? What's in a birth control pill ?
Birth control pills have oestrogen and other female hormones to control the mentruation cycle. Oestrogen is more powerfull than testosterone and will make a guy into a female. The transformation of male into female is observed in the great lake. I remember seing a video about it, the researchers could not tell if the male was in fact a male. It also explain why fish population have problem in the great lakes
GlamGein
Apr30-03, 04:50 PM
ACTUALLY, BCPs are increasingly containing less estrogen and more progesterone, which will not turn anyone into a female, so I wouldn't worry about that problem.
~As per the "female mind" question: look at the crap we have to deal with: "we are all going to turn into females due to birth control pills, oh no!" , and "hormone fluctuations affect women's personalities, oh no!"
I want a guy who won't ask me these lame questions, thats all I ask!
as a side note, there IS such thing as male "PMS", males do have marked hormone fluctuations that affect their personalities as much as female hormone fluctuations affect the female personality ( I dont think the personality is affected, but irritability is increased, which limits how much crap we can take from anyone, making us appear less "nice").
A more mind boggling questio would be, "who understands the MALE psyche"?
megashawn
Apr30-03, 05:45 PM
I cannot comment on how the female mind works. I'm still trying to figure mine out.
I do agree that men also have there fits, be it related to hormones or not, there is definetly a change of attitude, probably more frequent then once a month.
Most women I've know are quite manipulative. All the ones that aren't are normally married/engaged and so that leaves a person such as myself trying to find his way through a bunch of gold diggers and control freaks.
I'd have to agree that it probably works much like a man's mind.
I remember my first comment to this on pf2:
"It does work????"
GlamGein
May2-03, 01:15 AM
yeah, I think the reality is that people's minds work the same way. Both men and women often end up with mates or whatever that are "greedy and manipulative", because they don't measure up to the other's ideals.
Entropia
May2-03, 03:44 AM
that is precisely what i meant when i said that "there are more similarities than there are differences."
Entropia
May28-03, 06:27 AM
any other thoughts and questions?
<curious about other people's input
Greetings Entropia !
Originally posted by Entropia
any other thoughts and questions?
Yeah... [:D] [;)]
How come females can get "weirded out" easily
sometimes due to the "littlest of things" ?
Is this not the case for human females in general
relative to the males ?
Could it be that the "littlest of things" for
males are not that little for females (though
the subjectivity of such "things" seemingly
indicates that that's not the case)?
Live long and prosper.
Entropia
May28-03, 05:58 PM
you little...
<giggles>
ok people, this is the context behind drag's comment... i got weirded out yesterday in some other post in which drag makes a reference to what he thought was my age during a particular year.
i got weirded out because, well.. i hate telling people my age and birthdate, so it is something i avoid.
i have issues with revealing my age because it has always put me in some sort of heirarchy, or have been treated less favorably because so (i tend to be the "younger" person in social circles...) in short, i experienced very similar things to what majin vegeta experiences...
but its not that bad for me these days cos i am not an early or mid teen anymore.
and so, for like.. some dude on pf to make a comment about my age really weirded me out cos i have no recollection of ever making any reference to my age on pf.
i hope that sheds some light on your question drag.
Greetings Entropia !
Originally posted by Entropia
you little...
[:D]
Hey, my post was quite clear, you didn't have to
write the above explanation. [;)]
Originally posted by Entropia
some dude on pf
[:(] [*(] ( [:D] )
Anyway, to adress the subject itself - so your
point is that "the littlest things" are in fact
small culminations of bigger issues ?
An intresting though possibly irrelevant note:
When males "snap", it ussualy means aggression.
It rarely means surprise or wonder. Maybe the
males are more resiliant to such sudden bursts
of emotion because they like to stay in control
and do not like displaying potential weakness.
Only when it's something like agression do such
bursts make potential positive sense for the male.
Females, on the other hand, are less competative
and thus can express their emotions with lesser
concern of them being viewed or used as a weakness.
Also, this may be the reason for the greater
general distraction of females as opposed to males
(not to mention physical capabilities).
Comments are welcome.
Live long and prosper.
Why are females more sensitive and less driven than males?
Why are females more sensitive and less driven than males?
Maybe it's all relative. Women seem less driven then males when you compare them to males?
maximus
Jun11-03, 09:56 PM
Originally posted by plus
Why are females more sensitive and less driven than males?
less testastorone, more estrogen...
Women.. I have spent years researching this, and in depth testing and evaluation. here are my results...
Ok now that that's out of the way, let me just say that women aren't logical, they think with thier emotions before anything else many times. Now before the women jump on me, let me say that there are ALWAYS exceptions to the rule, this is the case in ANY human equation.
I've known very logical women, and I've also known women who were not only intelligent and "one of the guys" but very attractive as well, so there goes that theory!
If a woman asks you if she's fat, she doesn't want to hear the truth, she wants you to lie to her. She's seeking positive reinforcement, as it's known in psychological circles. Yes gentlemen, you've ventured beyond physics to an even more perplexing topic.. Psychiatry. Entropia was right about one thing.. Women crave attention, and to feel good. So making them laugh and feel good about themselves is the right move. I have to say that so far I'm kinda disappointed by the women posting here, since I've heard a lot of generalizations women that are half-truths and twisted. I can cite examples if challenged.
So I offer up my experience to you. You have a specific question about women. Ask me=) I'll try to impart experinces to the group.
Galatea
Jun12-03, 04:22 AM
Originally posted by Zantra
Women.. I have spent years researching this, and in depth testing and evaluation. here are my results..
Wow, thanks! [6)]
Ok now that that's out of the way, let me just say that women aren't logical, they think with thier emotions before anything else many times.
This is different than aggressive male behavior that isn't fueled by logic, how? Many more men are involved in physical confrontations than women, IMO, primarily due to the (perceived) female ability to reason and talk things out. Could it be that both genders are, at times, rendered incapable of thinking clearly because they are overwhelmed by emotion? This is more of a human folly (or strength, depending on context.)
Now before the women jump on me, let me say that there are ALWAYS exceptions to the rule, this is the case in ANY human equation.
I've known very logical women, and I've also known women who were not only intelligent and "one of the guys" but very attractive as well, so there goes that theory!
Unfortunately the stereotype that scientific men are ugly and socially maladjusted still remains. [6)]
If a woman asks you if she's fat, she doesn't want to hear the truth, she wants you to lie to her. She's seeking positive reinforcement, as it's known in psychological circles.
The counter-argument for this is the same - how are men different? I can think of a few different questions that might be posed which are similar but not verbatim which demonstrate that men also like having their ego stroked.
Entropia was right about one thing.. Women crave attention, and to feel good. So making them laugh and feel good about themselves is the right move.
Again, this same behavior can be found in men, as well as children and most domesticated animals. I wouldn't consider this groundbreaking knowledge.
"A man is already halfway in love with any woman who listens to him." -Brendan Francis
If we were to assume the quote above is true, how would you go about proving the differences between men and women? It seems that you could switch 'man' and 'woman' in the sentence and people would still say "That's so true!"
I have to say that so far I'm kinda disappointed by the women posting here, since I've heard a lot of generalizations women that are half-truths and twisted. I can cite examples if challenged.
I can't say that I've been extremely impressed by the posts here, but to say that you are disappointed by the *women* who have posted is kind of curious.
While I acknowledge the differences between women and men - primarily those that are backed up by hard science (i.e. women having larger corpus callosum's, different brain activity, more language centers, differences in hormones etc.) and how they relate to societal and evolutionary constructs - I think it's unfair to apply different standards for discourse on a discussion board. Gender should not be a factor when judging the substance of a reply. Thoughtfulness, insight, and merit should be more important.
BTW, please do cite specific references.
So I offer up my experience to you. You have a specific question about women. Ask me=) I'll try to impart experinces to the group.
No offense, but that's like asking Bill O'Reilly about the war instead of Tommy Franks.[6)]
edit: typos
Originally posted by Galatea
[B]Wow, thanks! [6)]
My quest still continues. I'm tireless in my efforts;)
This is different than aggressive male behavior that isn't fueled by logic, how? Many more men are involved in physical confrontations than women, IMO, primarily due to the (perceived) female ability to reason and talk things out. Could it be that both genders are, at times, rendered incapable of thinking clearly because they are overwhelmed by emotion? This is more of a human folly (or strength, depending on context.)
Well here you are pointing out the similarities between men and women, and totally missing the topic of my post. You're taking up an arugment that someone else started, except with the wrong person. I'm not saying men and women don't have similarities. The question was explain how women work. But to address your point, Men do tend to think in different ways than women. For instance, a recent study finds that a test to see how men and women remember directions finds that men will search out landmarks to establish location and bearing, while women will trace a step by step route to find thier way. One isn't better than the other, it's just highlighting the differences in the way men and women think.
Unfortunately the stereotype that scientific men are ugly and socially maladjusted still remains. [6)]
Ok now you're just bitter;) That's an opinion, not a fact. And it's a generalization.
The counter-argument for this is the same - how are men different? I can think of a few different questions that might be posed which are similar but not verbatim which demonstrate that men also like having their ego stroked.
I was just using that as an example. I hear that a lot from guys: that women ask these irrational questions to which they already know the answer but are seeking approval. I was just providing the reason, and I said nothing about men being different. Again you're trying to twist this and put words in my mouth. I never implied or said anything of the sort. Let's move forward.
Again, this same behavior can be found in men, as well as children and most domesticated animals. I wouldn't consider this groundbreaking knowledge.
Basically this whole post you've made simply attacks my statements with irrelevant arguments about statements that I did not make about the differences betweeen men and women.
"A man is already halfway in love with any woman who listens to him." -Brendan Francis
If we were to assume the quote above is true, how would you go about proving the differences between men and women? It seems that you could switch 'man' and 'woman' in the sentence and people would still say "That's so true!"
That quote simply highlights the egotism of women. It doesn't help your argument. I'm simply presenting facts, not trying to be esoteric.
I can't say that I've been extremely impressed by the posts here, but to say that you are disappointed by the *women* who have posted is kind of curious.
While I acknowledge the differences between women and men - primarily those that are backed up by hard science (i.e. women having larger corpus callosum's, different brain activity, more language centers, differences in hormones etc.) and how they relate to societal and evolutionary constructs - I think it's unfair to apply different standards for discourse on a discussion board. Gender should not be a factor when judging the substance of a reply. Thoughtfulness, insight, and merit should be more important.
BTW, please do cite specific references.
Ok since you're trying to paint me as a chauvanist, let me say that the reason I made the statement about being disappointed in the women, is that the women are essentially the moderators of this topic. Men are asking the questions. I was simply saying that I was hoping for a more definitive response from the girls. And you can't say that gender is a factor, since gender is the ONLY factor in this topic.
To give one example, YOU. The topic of this discussion is how women think. Not how men and women are different. And certainly now how one gender is better than the other, but that seems to be the direction you're trying so hard to steer us in. Let's stay on track shall we?
No offense, but that's like asking Bill O'Reilly about the war instead of Tommy Franks.[6)]
Bold statement coming from someone who knows virtually nothing about me. I don't claim to be all knowledgeable about women. I just have known quite a few women, and so I was offering to share the little I have learned. DO you have anything to contribute other than insults?
RageSk8
Jun12-03, 12:13 PM
The female mind works? [6)]
No, but seriously, like the male mind with a monthly chemical cycle.
Originally posted by Entropia
any other thoughts and questions?
<curious about other people's input
Ya I do. Since you don't seem to have issues with it anymore, and since the topic was brought up it peaked my curiosity. How old are you?;) Educated guess being early 20's based on what you said. Reason I ask is because you hit a nerve with me. I used to have a younger friend who worried about the same things as you, and she was very intelligent. Moreso than many of my older friends. I always treated her as an equal regardless of her age, because I believe in credit where credit is due. Personally I think that age is less of a factor on these forums because people only know you by how you portray yourself. They can't see the physical so things like age become less of a factor. Of course people will always be people and prejudge you anyways, but that's the nature of humans;)
As for other questions, why does today's average woman have a double standard of expecting the old fashioned treatment when it comes to being treated like a lady? They having everything paid for and doors opened for them, yet still wants to be seen equally? Now, I'm all for equality as far as women go, and it's not in dispute that women deserve equal pay, and that they are as smart and capable as men. But if this is the case, then they forfeit some of the rights such as being taken care of, having doors opened for them, or having dinner paid for by a man. I'm of course referring specifically to the "independent woman" who doesn't "need a man because she can do it herself". Then the question arises, why do I need to pay for dinner then? Let's go dutch;) I know this is a generalization, but it's one I've seemed to encounter a lot in women. Any thoughts?
Entropia
Jun13-03, 05:40 PM
i personally don't have any of those double standards (as far as im aware of at least. i mean, i was raised in a gendered and heterosexist society after all... so i am still confined to my gender role in some ways, whether i am aware of it or not).
this time about a year ago i went on a dinner date with somebody who, ummm... wanted to open doors and seat me by pulling my chair and then tucking me in my chair up to the dinner table. now, i dont mind people holding or opening doors for me with intentions of common courtesy, i do the same for whomever... but the last time anybody wanted to seat me like that, i must have been 3 or 4. i mean, i didnt get offended per se, it just made me kind of giggle inside and sort of weirded me out. -so i did the same thing chair tucking thing to him later on that evening. i suspect that may have weirded him out too.
i just find things like having to walk all the way around the car to open my door, tuck me in my chair, always having to open the door for me etc. as inefficient for the person having to do it... i mean, i am able bodied enough to do those tasks.
and concerning who pays what... i have a history of going dutch. but then when the relationship has progressed, either we go dutch, or i pay, or the other person pays... all depending on mood and the amount of money we have in our wallets.
i dont know many women that maintain those double standards that you mention. im not doubting that they exist though.
Well I can't speak for everyone, but I can't say I've ever taken it to that extreme of pulling out chairs. I may open a door or two, but that's just common courtesy. I just seem to have hit upon a certain "subset" of college-aged women who have thier own jobs, live at home, thus not having many bills to pay, and then expect the man to pay for everything. Then they expect you to pay for everything, buy them expensive gifts, and lavish them in luxury. I'm referring of course to "gold diggers". And you just "KNOW" that if you were to actually agree to marry them, you're butt would be at work each day chained to a desk while they drive around with the girls in the BMW she bought with your money, with no responsibilities. Now not every woman is like that, but there are still those holdouts who expect everything to be handed to them. Watch out for them guys. they're out there and they have one hand on the toilet to flush the BC they "claim" they're taking, and the other on your wallet. BEWARE! Heheh. I've never had that experience, but I've had it happen to friends, and had that attempted on me. Very shameless. If you're not careful they could one day be sitting on your couch eating bon bons and watching Oprah;)
But I digress...
In any relationship there is a dominant and a recessive personality.
But I think most women in any serious relationship want to believe they have "control" of the man. The key to sucess is mutual ignorance. She has be fooled into believing she controls him, and he has to be fooled into thinking she doesn't;)
Originally posted by Zantra
The key to sucess is mutual ignorance. She has be fooled into believing she controls him, and he has to be fooled into thinking she doesn't;)
Good one...[;)]
Oh c'mon now girls. Don't tell me none of you has any response to that post. I know I didn't leave you speechless?[;)] This was just starting to get good[:D]
Originally posted by Entropia
i personally don't have any of those double standards (as far as im aware of at least. i mean, i was raised in a gendered and heterosexist society after all... so i am still confined to my gender role in some ways, whether i am aware of it or not).
this time about a year ago i went on a dinner date with somebody who, ummm... wanted to open doors and seat me by pulling my chair and then tucking me in my chair up to the dinner table. now, i dont mind people holding or opening doors for me with intentions of common courtesy, i do the same for whomever... but the last time anybody wanted to seat me like that, i must have been 3 or 4. i mean, i didnt get offended per se, it just made me kind of giggle inside and sort of weirded me out. -so i did the same thing chair tucking thing to him later on that evening. i suspect that may have weirded him out too.
i just find things like having to walk all the way around the car to open my door, tuck me in my chair, always having to open the door for me etc. as inefficient for the person having to do it... i mean, i am able bodied enough to do those tasks.
and concerning who pays what... i have a history of going dutch. but then when the relationship has progressed, either we go dutch, or i pay, or the other person pays... all depending on mood and the amount of money we have in our wallets.
i dont know many women that maintain those double standards that you mention. im not doubting that they exist though.
Hey I noticed you skillfully dodged the age question. You're not supposed to be senstive to it till you hit 30[;)] Be proud of your age. You'll appreciate it more the first time someone calls you m'am.
thevoid
Dec17-03, 02:59 AM
first some one should never care about their age no matter what gender.allso now this may seem a bit off topic and all but im just stating something from a bit of my resurch. i have founf that more wars have been started since women have been alowed into government(no offnce)now this may seem a bit off topic and all but im just stating something from a bit of my resurch. i have found that more wars have been started since women have been alowed into government(no offnce)
Women are Evil, simple as that [6)] .
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