Is the US Government Being Led by Donald Rumsfeld?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the perceived influence of Donald Rumsfeld on the US government, particularly in the context of foreign policy and military decisions. Participants explore the roles of President Bush and other administration members, debating the delegation of responsibilities and the implications of leadership styles during wartime.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that Donald Rumsfeld appears to be leading US foreign policy, questioning the traditional roles of the President and Secretary of State.
  • Others argue that President Bush is delegating responsibilities, which is typical for a President, and that Rumsfeld's prominence is due to his position as Secretary of Defense during wartime.
  • There are claims that Bush has historically not been in charge and relies on others to manage critical tasks, raising questions about his leadership style.
  • Some participants express frustration over the contradictory criticisms of Bush, noting that he is criticized for both micromanaging and for not being involved enough in the war efforts.
  • A later reply questions whether the perception of Bush not paying attention is a widespread opinion, indicating a shared sentiment across different forums and locations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express mixed views on the effectiveness of Bush's leadership and the role of Rumsfeld. There is no consensus on whether Bush's delegation of responsibilities is appropriate or if it reflects a lack of engagement.

Contextual Notes

Some arguments rely on subjective interpretations of leadership effectiveness and public perception, which may vary widely among participants.

damgo
Anyone else noticed that for the past month or so, it's appeared that the US government is being entirely led by Donald Rumsfeld? Not just the war... when we're threatening Iran or Syria, he's the one doing it; he states on our foreign policy towards Europe and Russia; he announces we will only accept unconditional surrender... isn't the Secretary of State supposed to handle that diplomacy stuff?

All I have heard from Bush since the war started is an occasional bit about how God is on our side -- there was a recent USA Today article indicating that Bush still spends his weekends at Camp David, working on his jogging times. (!) Dick Cheney is presumably in his undisclosed undergroud lair, er bunker, but what about the rest of the adminstration--Powell, Condi?

Just sort of odd...
 
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I wouldn't be surprised...Bush has never been in charge of anything. He always has other people do most of the work, while he stands up front and exploits the family name. He did it in his business life, why wouldn't he continue?
 
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I wouldn't be surprised...Bush has never been in charge of anything. He always has other people do most of the work, while he stands up front and exploits the family name. He did it in his business life, why wouldn't he continue?

President Bush is the President. Like most Presidents, President Bush is deligating responsiblities.

Sometimes a leader will try to run every show there is in government. Poking their nose in where they have no understanding of the processes or the effects of certain policies... take Mr. Hussein, for example, and look where that got im.

However... who's running the American government? And can that be changed with democratic elections?
 
It's not Bush's job to micromanage the war and comment on its every detail. Besides, if the war goes badly, Rumsfield will have to take the blame and Bush will emerge unscathed.
 
I agree it is not Bush's job to micromanage every part of the United States government. That's why he and other presidents have their cabinets and advisors, so that they can focus on what is immidiately important to their job and delegate other responsibilities to experts in their fields. Donald Rumsfelf is the Secretary of Defense, you know that guy who works at the pentagon... it only makes sense that he would be a major figure in politics right now as it is his job to be taking care of the war.

I can't believe the two sided criticisms that are being levied against President Bush right now. He can do no right according to these criticisms because they're always set up as lose-lose criticisms. Just last week here in Utah I hear people complaining that Bush is doing a terrible job because he's not listening to his advisors and screwing up the war, and now I hear that he's doing a terrible job because he is listening to his advisors and letting them do their work. Which is it? Why won't people who decide to criticize the president just pick one side and stop fence jumping everytime it becomes convenient?
 
i think you are a bit confused climbhi, it is the same complaint that he is not listening; or more to the point, simply not paying attention. granted that is a matter of opinion; but as you pointed out it holds both in Utah and this forum, as well as may other places around the world.
 

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