How do I find directional derivatives using partial derivatives?

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The discussion focuses on finding directional derivatives using partial derivatives, specifically for the function 1 + 2x(y)^(1-2) at the point (3,4) and the vector (4,-3). Participants explore the necessary steps to compute the directional derivative and address issues related to the direction vector.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about calculating the directional derivative and outlines their understanding of the formula involving partial derivatives.
  • Another participant reminds that the direction vector must be a unit vector, indicating that (4, -3) needs to be scaled.
  • A participant inquires about how to convert the vector (4, -3) into a unit vector, suggesting a method of scaling.
  • A later reply provides a mathematical explanation for converting (4, -3) into a unit vector, showing the calculation steps involved.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the clarification received, indicating that the explanation helped resolve their confusion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the necessity of using a unit vector for the directional derivative calculation. However, there is no consensus on the correctness of the initial calculations or the final answer, as one participant's result differs from the book's answer.

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There are unresolved aspects regarding the correctness of the partial derivatives calculated by the first participant, as well as the specific steps taken to arrive at the final answer.

Arden1528
I am completely stuck on these. I am supposed to find the directional derv. of 1+2x(y)^(1-2) with point (3,4) and vector (4,-3)

I understand the formula to find this. You have to find the partial derv. of x and y then plug in (3,4) to get a value. Then take the partial derv. of x and multiply it by a, and partial derv. of y multiplied by b.

fx(3,4)a+fy(3,4)b

fx=partial derv of x
fy = partial derv. of y

the answer in the back of the book is 23/10, I get 23/3. So it must be in my partials? any help is very much apperciated.
 
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Don't forget that your direction vector is supposed to be a unit vector.

(4, -3) isn't quite a unit vector, so you have to scale it so it is a unit vector before you use it in the problem.


You might want to check the rest of your work again too.
 
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What can I do to the vector (4,-3) to make it a unit vector? Multiply it till the legnth is 1?
 
Originally posted by Arden1528
What can I do to the vector (4,-3) to make it a unit vector? Multiply it till the legnth is 1?
Basically.
You want sqrt(x2+y2)=1 where x and y are the i and j components of the vector.
So
x2+y2=1
Presently you have
x2+y2=25
If you divide each side by 25 then
sqrt((x/5)2+(y/5)2)=1
So if the vector is (4/5,-3/5) then you have a unit vector.
 
Thank you so much. If I could buy you a beer and cigar I would. That is all I needed, know it all makes sense. I can not tell you how much I am greatfull. I have that feeling of solving that ever so long math problem, it's great.
 

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