The Big Bang: Matter Creation & Photons

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of matter creation during the Big Bang and the role of photons in this process. Participants explore theoretical concepts related to the origins of matter, the behavior of photons, and the conditions of the early universe.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether a significant amount of matter was created during the Big Bang.
  • It is proposed that the universe initially consisted mostly of energy (photons) which could interact to form matter-antimatter pairs.
  • One participant suggests that matter particles may have had a longer half-life, leading to an excess of matter after annihilation events with antimatter.
  • Another participant explains that modern physics can describe events after approximately 10^-43 seconds post-Big Bang, but not what occurred at Time = 0.
  • It is noted that the Big Bang involved the rapid expansion of space and that elementary particles formed as the universe cooled.
  • Participants discuss whether photons can turn into matter, with one stating that a single photon cannot, but two photons can collide to create a matter-antimatter pair.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the specifics of matter creation and the role of photons, indicating that multiple competing views remain and the discussion is unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the understanding of events at the very beginning of the universe, particularly at Time = 0, and the discussion reflects varying degrees of certainty about the processes involved in matter creation.

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I was reading some stuff about the big bang and about the singularity. When the big bang happens, is a whole lot of matter just created?

And,

Are Photons counted as matter?

Thanks
 
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What happened at the big bang and where the stuff came from is an open question. After the big bang the universe consisted mostly of energy (photons) which interacted (it takes at least 2) to form matter-antimatter pairs. For reasons not fully understood, the subsequent particle reactions were such that there was a slight excess of baryonic (ordinary) matter, which is why we're here.
 
i think the matter particles had a slightly longer half life, hence when all the matter/anti-matter had collided and annihilated (producing photons) there was an excess of matter (since some of the antimatter had decayed already).
 
aricho said:
When the big bang happens, is a whole lot of matter just created?

There is a limit to how far back toward the Big Bang modern physics can describe (something like 10^-43 seconds after the beginning). So we can't tell what was going on at Time = 0. However, physics can describe what happened after that (with varying degrees of certainty).

To say the least, the Big Bang was an energetic event. The Big Bang was not an explosion of stuff into empty space but was the rapid expansion of all space. As space expanded, the energy therein cooled. At about 10^-36 seconds after the beginning, elementary particles like quarks and electrons were able to form. At about 10^-6 seconds, the quarks were able to combine into protons and neutrons. But the universe was still too hot for atoms to form. It took another 300,000 years for things to cool down enough to form atoms (throughout the universe, since that original energy was already throughout the whole universe). At this point, gravity pulled this matter together to form stars and galaxies (throughout the universe).
 
so..

so matter was just, made after "phlanks minute" (sorry about spelling)?

Can Photons turn into matter?
 
Can Photons turn into matter?
As I tried to explain in my previous note, a single photon by itself can't turn into matter (conservation of momentum). However two photons can collide and turn into a matter-antimatter pair.
 

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