Boundary Problem: Massless String with Knot of Mass 'm' at z=0

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a boundary problem involving a wave incident on a knot of mass 'm' at z = 0, with a massless string on the other side. Participants explore the implications of these conditions on boundary conditions and wave behavior.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the boundary conditions, stating that the string must be continuous and proposing a second condition involving the mass and derivatives of the wave function.
  • Another participant agrees with the idea that the derivative on the massless side should be zero, questioning why this assumption does not yield the correct results.
  • A different participant suggests an alternative formulation of the boundary condition, indicating uncertainty about the correct relationship between the terms involved.
  • Some participants express confusion about the implications of having a massless string and how it affects the wave behavior at the boundary.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the continuity of the string and the assumption that the derivative on the massless side may be zero, but there is disagreement on the implications and correctness of these assumptions, leaving the discussion unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the behavior of the wave on the massless side and the mathematical formulation of the boundary conditions, which remain unresolved.

Thorazine
So I have a wave incident on a boundary problem. The incidence is normal and the boundary is a knot of mass 'm' at z = 0, with the wave coming from minus infinity. The problem is that the string on the other side is massless, and I can't figure out exactly how that effects the boundary conditions. I know the string must be continuous as the first condition, and:

T*[df(+) - df(-)] = m*d^2f/dz^2

as the second condition. Where df(+) is the first derivative on the positive side of z = 0 and df(-) is the derivative on the negative side.

What I thought to do was let df(+) = 0 because there is no force coming from that side, but that hasn't worked. I also tried letting the transmitted wave be imaginary only because without mass I can't see how a string could vibrate, and that didn't work either. Any help would be much appreciated.
 
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Originally posted by Thorazine
What I thought to do was let df(+) = 0 because there is no force coming from that side...

Thorazine, I think this is physically correct. I think df/dz=0 everywhere in the massless part. Could you please explain why it doesn't work?
 
I could be wrong but shouldn't the equation be:

m*[df(+) - df(-)]/dz = T*(d^2f/dz^2)


Maybe?
 


Originally posted by arcnets
Thorazine, I think this is physically correct. I think df/dz=0 everywhere in the massless part. Could you please explain why it doesn't work?

I know it's not correct because it doesn't give me the right answer, I don't know why it doesn't work. :)
 

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