Extended Bodies in QFT: String Theory & Phenomenology

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The discussion revolves around the role of string theory in addressing the concept of 'extended bodies' within quantum field theory (QFT). Participants explore whether string theory is the primary framework for such bodies, the dimensionality involved, and the implications of its phenomenology.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question if string theory is the only way to handle extended bodies in QFT or if it is limited to specific actions and dimensionalities.
  • There is a suggestion that string theory can accommodate extended bodies of various dimensions, including linear strings and higher-dimensional branes, but the effectiveness compared to traditional theories is debated.
  • Concerns are raised about whether string theory provides a general framework for multidimensional extended elementary bodies or if it focuses on specific models, with inquiries about the justification for the chosen Lagrangians beyond simplicity.
  • One participant notes that traditional theories of extended elementary particles have historically failed, referencing attempts by physicists like Rudolph Peierls.
  • Another participant mentions the Nambu-Goto action as foundational for strings, highlighting its Lorentz and conformal invariance, while also noting the challenge of identifying the correct theory among many that emerge from string models.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the generality of string theory in relation to extended bodies, with no consensus on whether it is the definitive framework or if it merely explores specific models. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the adequacy of string theory compared to traditional approaches.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the unclear scope of string theory's applicability to all types of extended bodies and the unresolved nature of the justification for specific Lagrangians used in the theory.

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Is string theory the (more-or-less) only way of dealing with 'extended bodies' in a theory like QFT? Or does it only deal with very specific actions, or ones representing 'particles' with special dimensionalities (e.g 1+1 only)? If it is general, is all the commonly-stated phenomenology (11 dimensions etc.) always necessary?
 
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Stingray said:
Is string theory the (more-or-less) only way of dealing with 'extended bodies' in a theory like QFT? Or does it only deal with very specific actions, or ones representing 'particles' with special dimensionalities (e.g 1+1 only)? If it is general, is all the commonly-stated phenomenology (11 dimensions etc.) always necessary?

From your post, you seem to mean by Extended Bodie" extended elementary bodies. Regarding extended bodies made of elementary ones, such as protons, atoms, molecules, people, suns, etc., present theory contemplates them and string theory does no better (in fact, worse).

So extended elementary bodies. Strings are linear, but branes are of all dimensions up to the 10 or 11. There are even 0-dimensional branes in the theory. So in this sense stringy physics does extended bodies of general dimensionality.

Traditional physical theories of extended elementary particles didn't work. A number of physicists tried theories with little balls - I remember in particular Rudolph Peierls, who was important in the work leading up to the atom bomb, had one. The field theories always failed to close or predicted things that weren't so.
 
Thanks for the answer. I did mean elementary bodies, by the way.

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So extended elementary bodies. Strings are linear, but branes are of all dimensions up to the 10 or 11. There are even 0-dimensional branes in the theory. So in this sense stringy physics does extended bodies of general dimensionality.

Are these objects restricted to having a particular type of action? I guess I'm asking more whether string theory provides a general framework for multidimensional extended (elementary) bodies, or whether it just studies some specific models. If the latter case is true, then is there any good argument (other than simplicity) why the chosen Lagrangian(s) should be correct?

Traditional physical theories of extended elementary particles didn't work. A number of physicists tried theories with little balls - I remember in particular Rudolph Peierls, who was important in the work leading up to the atom bomb, had one. The field theories always failed to close or predicted things that weren't so.

Thanks. A quick search doesn't come up with much, though. Peierls has done too many things!

Anyway, these questions were motivated by looking at some of Dirac's old papers (mainly from the 60's). I don't know enough to say whether string theory solves the problems that he was stressing, or whether his ideas have since been considered misguided.
 
Stingray said:
Are these objects restricted to having a particular type of action? I guess I'm asking more whether string theory provides a general framework for multidimensional extended (elementary) bodies, or whether it just studies some specific models. If the latter case is true, then is there any good argument (other than simplicity) why the chosen Lagrangian(s) should be correct?


Good question, Stingray.

I don't know about branes, but strings are based on the Nambu-Goto action. This states that the action on a string worldsheet (two dimensional surface analog of particle world line) is proportional to the element of area of the worldsheet. This is analogous to the action for a relativistic particle, and Nambu-Goto is Lorentz invariant too. It also turns out to be Conformally invariant, and to possesses Weyl symmetry as well. This free symmetry is part of the elegance string physicists perceive in their theory.

String physicists have never tried to do all possible theories, they are motivated to find the one correct theory. Their problem is that all possible theories, or a heck of a lot of them anyway, have fallen out of their models, and they can't tell which one is correct.
 

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