Taking FSAE to a highschool, ideas?

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The discussion revolves around ideas for presenting the Formula SAE car to high school senior students taking physics. The aim is to engage students with interactive learning experiences that provide insights into engineering concepts relevant to the car.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest showing the car's engine components and discussing aerodynamics, particularly downforce, as engaging topics for students.
  • Others argue that the aerodynamic design of FSAE cars may not be significant due to the nature of autocross courses, where speeds are relatively low and aerodynamic gains are minimal.
  • Discussion includes the importance of tires, specifically how tire composition and design affect performance through shear forces.
  • Beam forces and deflection are mentioned as accessible topics that could be explained to students.
  • Gear trains and sprocket systems are proposed as interesting subjects, especially if physical components are available for demonstration.
  • Moments of inertia are highlighted, with an emphasis on how weight distribution affects handling performance in small, lightweight cars.
  • Shock and spring forces, as well as dampers, are suggested as relevant topics for discussion.
  • Internal combustion engine concepts, including heat transfer and power/torque relations, are noted, although some participants express uncertainty about their relevance to high school physics.
  • Electronics in FSAE cars, particularly the role of ECUs and the principles of electrical systems, are mentioned as potential discussion points.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the value of discussing various engineering concepts related to the FSAE car, but there are differing opinions on the significance of aerodynamics and the relevance of certain topics to high school physics.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the effectiveness of aerodynamic design may be limited due to the specific conditions of autocross courses, and there is uncertainty regarding the applicability of internal combustion engine concepts to the high school curriculum.

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Ok guys,

Im sure most of you are aware of the Formula SAE. I am helping out with this yrs team and to raise funds, were taking the car to a local high school for some interactive learning. Itll be for the senior students taking physics.

Just wondering if anyone has any ideas about what we could show them? Something that they could understand with high school and perhaps give them an insight into engineering.

Thanks guys.
 
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show them under the hood, also talk about the aerodynamics of the car, the down force etc. Those tend to be shockers amongst students, at least they were for me.

Regards,

Nenad
 
Nenad said:
show them under the hood, also talk about the aerodynamics of the car, the down force etc. Those tend to be shockers amongst students, at least they were for me.

Regards,

Nenad

Not a whole lot of underhood and aero in an FSAE car(some teams go full body but most opt for a shapely nose cone with only minimal aero consideration). Aerodynacic design of FSAE cars is wasted effort because the cars traverse an autocross course with one maybe two straight aways. Speeds average about 30 so aero gains are tough without adding significant weight... Lighter cars are better.

Tires... Talk about tires. Shear---tires bond with the pavementas they roll and then get tore off the pavement i.e. sheared. You can talk about that and how tire composition/width/radius effects tire performance.

Beam forces and deflection. Always good, not too tough.

gear trains and sprocket systems. Again, not to tough at face value but interesting especially if you bring the lower half of an engine with you.

Moments of inertia. Small light car performance is subject to moment of inertia changes. Placing a lead acid battery over or behind the diff versus under the CG can effect handeling performance---really good drivers can sense this BTW. An 8 lb load shifted to a corner will no move the CG significantly but will produce a notible change in the cars moments.

Shock---spring forces and dampers.

IC engines---I can't think of a whole lot that would pertain to a HS physics class. Maybe you could discuss heat transfer or power/torque relations and show curves. Explain why Al is used(are Fe heads and blocks better if so why or why not) as block and head material. Explain compression ratio. Thermodynamics bases a lot of IC engine theory (at least for a first approx) on compression ratio.

Electronics---There are no carbed FSAE cars running, so all use some form of ECU. ECU's rely on semiconductors and capacitors and resistors and inductors...

Electrical system---alternator is a portable generator. You could discuss the conversion of relative motion and lines of magnetic flux into electrical energy to charge the battery and power the injectors, ecu, fuel pump(you could talk about electric motors as well), etc.

There, have fun.
 
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Thanks guys, Ill try and forward those ideas to the team.
 

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