What is a Simplified Expression for pi(x)?

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The discussion revolves around finding simplified expressions for the prime number counting function, pi(x). Participants explore various mathematical formulations, including series, integrals, and transformations, while considering the implications of their approaches.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a formula for pi(x) based on Wilson's theorem and the gamma function, suggesting that pi(x) can be expressed as a sum involving a function h(x) that distinguishes prime from non-prime integers.
  • Another participant mentions the existence of various exact functions for pi(x), including integral forms, and provides hints on transforming series into integrals using specific mathematical techniques.
  • A third participant introduces a simpler derivation using a function g(n) that indicates whether n is prime, leading to the expression pi(n) as a summation of g(k) from 1 to n.
  • There is a discussion about the convergence conditions of the proposed transformations and the nature of the arguments used in the functions.
  • Some participants challenge the applicability of certain mathematical techniques, emphasizing the need for integer arguments in the context of summation.

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Participants express differing views on the validity and applicability of various approaches to expressing pi(x). There is no consensus on a single method, and multiple competing views remain throughout the discussion.

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Limitations include the dependence on integer arguments for summation and unresolved mathematical steps in the proposed transformations. The discussion also highlights the need for careful consideration of convergence conditions.

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Yet another formula for pi(x) (prime number counting function)
start with wilson's therorem : p is prime iff p divides (p-1)! + 1
let G(x) be the gamma function
then p is prime iff sin(pi*(G(x)+1)/x) = 0
let f be the function x -> sin(pi*(G(x)+1)/x)

Since f(x) = sin(pi*G(x)/x+pi/x) and because G(x)/x is integer (and even) when x is an integer <> 4,
for any integer x, non prime and different from 4, f(x) = sin(pi/x)

Then let h(x) = f(x) / sin(pi/x) = sin(pi*(G(x)+1)/x) / sin(pi/x)

h(x) = 0 if x is prime
h(x) = 1 for any non prime integer x >4
h(4) = -1

therefore, for x >= 5,

pi(x) = x-2+sum[k=5..x, h(k)] :smile:

Questions :
1) Is there a way to convert this sum into an integral and have a cool expression of pi(x) ?

2) is there a way to differentiate this sum and then have an expression
of d pi(x) / dx ?

3) since sin(pi*x) = pi*x*product[n=1..inf, 1-(x/n)^2)],
and G(x)=(x-1)*G(x-1),
is there a way to express h(x) as an infinite product, and then simplify it and simplfy the above expression of pi(x) ?
 
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don,t want to discourage you ( i think your formulation is interesting) but there are a lots of function exact (with a triple integral, i myself have obtained several integral forms for the PI(x)...

A hint to transform a series into an integral you can make use of the equality:

[tex]\sum_{0}^{\infty}a(n)=\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}dxa(x)w(x)[/tex]

where a(n) is the general term of the series and w(x) is the Laplace inverse transform of:

[tex]\frac{1}{1-e^{-s}}[/tex]

Another approach (exact formula) is using the Poisson,s summation formula:

[tex]\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}A(n)=\int_0^{\infty}dxA(x)\sum_{n=-\infty}^{\infty}e^{inx}[/tex]

hope it helps...if you wait a bit you will be able to hear the critics of shmoe and Matt Grime about your approach to Pi(x)..(don,t hope it be positive though..:))
 
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Segre: you can write a much shorter derivation.

If I define g by:

[tex] g(n) := \left\{<br /> \begin{array}{ll}<br /> 1 \quad & n \mbox{ is prime} \\<br /> 0 & n \mbox{ is not prime}<br /> \end{array}[/tex]

then it's clear that

[tex] \pi(n) = \sum_{k = 1}^{n} g(k)[/tex]

right? I'll leave the rest as an exercise.


BTW, you might want to check the convergence conditions before doing any sort of transform.
 
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Segre: you can write a much shorter derivation.

If I define g by:

[tex] g(n) := \left\{<br /> \begin{array}{ll}<br /> 1 \quad & n \mbox{ is prime} \\<br /> 0 & n \mbox{ is not prime}<br /> \end{array}[/tex]

then it's clear that

[tex] \pi(n) = \sum_{k = 1}^{n} g(k)[/tex]

right?

Right, of course, but my "prime predicate" function has a real argument, not integer, and my hope was that i could use some tricks of real function analysis (eg a transform of some kind) to obtain a new expression for pi(x)
 
you can use transforms, these are well known and have been aobut for 50 years in textbooks.
 
Right, of course, but my "prime predicate" function has a real argument

Not true: x has to be an integer because it's one of the bounds on your summation. :-p

And even if you extended the meaning of &Sigma; notation to allow the upper bound to be a noninteger, you could do exactly the same to the summation I posted as well.
 

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