Freezing Water with a Reversed Steam Engine

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The discussion revolves around the operation of a reversed steam engine used to freeze water, specifically focusing on the energy calculations involved in freezing a tray of water compartments. The problem involves thermodynamic principles, including the Carnot cycle and heat transfer calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of heat required to freeze water, including the heat of fusion and temperature change. There are questions about the interpretation of the input power as work or heat, and the need to account for multiple compartments in the calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing clarifications on the calculations and questioning assumptions related to the input power. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to multiply by the number of compartments, but no consensus has been reached on the overall approach or calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the assumption of ideal (Carnot) behavior and are addressing potential errors in calculations related to energy requirements for freezing water. There is a focus on ensuring all components of the problem are considered, including the total mass of water being frozen.

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The steam engine which operates between 500°C and 200°C is run in reverse. How long would it take to freeze a tray of a dozen 37 g compartments of liquid water at room temperature (20°C) into a dozen ice cubes at the freezing point, assuming that it takes 300 W of input electric power to run it? Assume ideal (Carnot) behavior.

The Q that is required to freeze the cube is (37/1000)kg*(4186J/K)(20K)+(37/1000)kg(3.33 x 10^5)

The coefficient of performance of ice is equal to TL/(TH - TL)=QL/(QH-QL), so pluging it the stuff, I get (200+273)/((500+273)-(200+273))= QL/ (300-QL), so I solved for QL and divide the Q needed to melt ice by QL. But my answer is wrong. Why? The 300W is QH, right? :cry:
 
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The Q that is required to freeze the cube is (37/1000)kg*(4186J/K)(20K)+(37/1000)kg(3.33 x 10^5)
First of all, it seems you forgot to multiply by 12, since the problem considers a dozen 37 gram compartments.

Then to freeze one has to reduce the temperature by 20°C and then remove the heat of fusion. It appears you have considered this.
 
physicsss said:
assuming that it takes 300 W of input electric power to run it? Assume ideal (Carnot) behavior.

Do you think this is W(work) or QH?
 
And thank you for pointing that out. :)
 

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