How Does Piston Movement Affect Gas Compression in a Cylinder?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving gas compression in a cylinder with a piston. The scenario includes a cylinder filled with air at a specific temperature and pressure, where a piston and an additional weight compress the gas. The original poster seeks to determine the distance the piston moves and the temperature required to return to an initial height after compression.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the number of moles of gas and the force applied by the piston and additional weight but expresses uncertainty about equating forces. Some participants suggest using the ideal gas law and question the necessity of calculating the number of moles since it remains constant. Others propose methods to find the additional pressure and the resulting volume changes.

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Participants are exploring various approaches to the problem, with some providing guidance on using the ideal gas law and pressure-volume relationships. There is no explicit consensus on the best method, but several lines of reasoning are being discussed.

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The problem is constrained by the conditions of constant temperature during compression and the need to return to a specific height, which raises questions about the assumptions regarding heat transfer and gas behavior.

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Here is my problem:

A cylinder with 0.4m radius and 0.5m depth is filled with air at 20C and 1atm.
A 20.0 kg piston is lowered into the cylinder, compressing the air inside. Finally a 75 kg man stands on the piston further compressing the air which remains at 20C.

how far down does the piston move when the man steps on it and to what temp. must the gas be heated to return the man back to the height when the 20kg piston was placed on.

So far i have calculated the number of moles of gas in the container, which will be constant throughout. and i can calculate the force applied when the man and piston are compressing it as mgh. i suppose the h will give me the distance it compresses but i have nothing to equate mgh to...
can someone help me out here
 
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PV= NRT.

I'm not sure why you would calculate N, the number of moles. Since it remains constant, it will cancel out anyway. You know P, V, and T initially. You add 95kg mass so you can calculate the additional force (weight) and divide by the cross section area of the cylinder to find the additional pressure. I am assuming any heat generated conducts away so the temperature remains the same.

Calling the initial P and V P1 and V1 and the later P and V P2 and V2, you have
[tex]\frac{P_1V_1}{P_2V_2}= \frac{NRT}{NRT}= 1[/tex]
That is, V2= P1V1/P2.

Once you know the volume, of course, you divide by the cross section area of the cylinder to find the height, subtract that from the original height to find how far the piston moves.

For the second part, once again PV= NRT. Now you are maintaining the same pressure while changing the temperature. Writing T1 and T2 for the temperatures before and after (you know that T1= 20 C), we have
[tex]\frac{PV_1}{PV_2}= \frac{NRT_1}{NRT_2}[/tex]
so that T2= T1(V2/V1).
 

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