Solving a differential equation: f = ma, f = -kx -bv

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The discussion revolves around solving a second-order differential equation derived from Newton's second law, specifically the equation f = ma, with the forces represented as f = -kx - bv. Participants are exploring the formulation of the differential equation and the methods to find its general solution, including the characteristic equation and homogeneous solutions.

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  • One participant expresses difficulty in rearranging the equation into a differential form and understanding the transition to the general solution.
  • Another participant outlines the process of finding the homogeneous solution, including rewriting the equation into standard form and deriving the characteristic equation.
  • The characteristic equation is presented as s^2 + 2ζω_n s + ω_n^2 = 0, with ζ and ω_n defined in terms of the system parameters.
  • A proposed solution for the differential equation is given in terms of exponential and trigonometric functions, incorporating damping and initial conditions.
  • One participant questions the derivation of the characteristic equation, indicating a lack of understanding of the process.
  • Another participant provides a general explanation of the characteristic equation in the context of linear homogeneous differential equations.

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Participants demonstrate varying levels of understanding regarding the derivation of the characteristic equation and the general solution. There is no consensus on the clarity of the explanation provided, as one participant seeks further clarification.

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Some assumptions regarding the familiarity with differential equations and the definitions of terms like natural frequency and damping ratio may not be explicitly stated, which could affect comprehension for those less experienced in the topic.

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so, f = ma, and f = -kx -bv.
rearrange to the form of a differential equation.
i am stuck when the next line simply states the general solution.
i have done this for first differential only, not second derivatives.
please help!
 
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For the homogeneous solution to ma = -kx -bv, it is standard practice to find the characteristic equation:

First, rewrite into a standard form:

[itex]\ddot{x} + \frac{b}{m}\dot{x} + \frac{k}{m}x[/itex]

Set
[itex]\frac{k}{m} = \omega_n^2[/itex]

[itex]\frac{b}{m} = 2\zeta\omega_n[/itex]

(the reason why should be clear by the end of the problem; natural frequency and damping ration are useful, meaningful quantities in the study of oscillations)

characteristic equation:

[itex]s^2 + 2\zeta\omega_n s + \omega_n^2 = 0[/itex]

find the roots of the characteristic equation (it's just a quadratic in s), s 1,2 , so that the solution to the differential equation is written:

[itex]x(t) = C_1 e^{s_1 t} + C_2 e^{s_2 t}[/itex]

using the Euler identity and some algebra, you end up with the solution:

[itex]x(t) = A e^{-\zeta\omega_n t}\cos\left(\omega_d t + \phi \right)[/itex]

where the damped frequency [itex]\omega_d = \omega_n \sqrt{1-\zeta^2}[/itex] and the constants A and φ (magnitude and phase) are determined by the initial conditions. (You can solve it with a sine or cosine, you'll just end up with a different phase.) That's just the basics off the top of my head, but I hope that helps.
 
I don't understand how you get the charateristic equation.
 
That's usually one of the first things you learn in an introductory differential equation course.

The linear homogeneous differential equation a y"+ by'+ cy= 0 has
"characteristic equation" ar2+ br+ c= 0.


More generally, you replace the nth derivative with rn.
 

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