How quickly does the Earth's atmosphere dissipate into space?

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The discussion centers on the rate at which the Earth's atmosphere dissipates into space, exploring both current estimates and theoretical models related to time and mass dependencies. Participants examine various factors influencing atmospheric escape, including molecular kinetic energy and external events like coronal mass ejections.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests information on the rate of atmospheric dissipation and models related to it.
  • Another participant suggests that the rate of atmospheric flow can be inferred from auroral light intensity, referencing a NASA article.
  • A different participant challenges the relevance of the auroral measurements, arguing that they are linked to coronal mass ejection events rather than normal atmospheric outflow.
  • Some participants propose that atmospheric escape is analogous to evaporation, where molecules with sufficient kinetic energy can exceed escape velocity, with lighter molecules being more likely to escape.
  • One participant mentions a previous claim about the molecular speed at sea level being significant enough to suggest that other factors must influence atmospheric retention, implying that the atmosphere should not exist if only kinetic energy were considered.
  • Another participant provides a specific calculation for the average speed of oxygen molecules at 25 degrees Celsius, noting that the escape velocity is much higher than this average speed, suggesting minimal loss of atmosphere under normal conditions.
  • It is mentioned that hydrogen molecules, being lighter, could escape more readily, with a calculated average speed significantly closer to escape velocity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms and rates of atmospheric dissipation, with no consensus reached on the overall rate or the impact of various factors influencing atmospheric escape.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of calculating atmospheric escape, including dependencies on molecular speed, temperature, and external influences like solar activity. There are unresolved assumptions regarding the regularity of atmospheric loss and the implications of molecular interactions.

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Anyone have a link or direct info regarding the rate at which the Earth's atmosphere dissipates into space? I'm looking for both an estimate of the current rate as well as a model (time and mass dependencies).

Thanks.
 
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Auroral Maths

Apparently the rate of flow/energy can be calculated from the intensity of the light from the aurora australis/borealis. See below link:

http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast08dec98_1.htm
 
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Originally posted by Nommos Prime (Dogon)
Apparently the rate of flow/energy can be calculated from the intensity of the light from the aurora australis/borealis. See below link:
Nice link but the outflow measurements that are given on that link are correlated to A Coronal Mass Ejection (CME) event, not to the regularity of any possible outlflow of atmosphere.

I'd suspect that there is very little "Outflow of Atmosphere" under 'normal' circumstances, cause just a little, regularily lost, would deplete the planet, in no time. (unless somehow?? replaced)
 
Its like evaporation - if the kinetic energy of a molecule is high enough that its velocity is above escape velocity (and it doesn't hit another molecule on its way out), it escapes. So at a given temperature you get a certain actual kinetic energy distribution and obviously, lighter molecules will be more likely to have the velocity they need to escape. Thats why there isn't much hydrogen in the atmosphere.

And how do you calculate that? Uh...
 
Originally posted by russ_watters
Its like evaporation - if the kinetic energy of a molecule is high enough that its velocity is above escape velocity (and it doesn't hit another molecule on its way out), it escapes. So at a given temperature you get a certain actual kinetic energy distribution and obviously, lighter molecules will be more likely to have the velocity they need to escape. Thats why there isn't much hydrogen in the atmosphere. And how do you calculate that? Uh...
Nigel once mentioned (in "Astro and Cosmo") that the speed of the atmosphere (molecular interactive rate) at sea level, was in the "hundreds of feet per/sec/per molecule" that would be well in excess of escape velocity, so I suspect that there are other factors at work, like the thermosphere, reductionist factors, otherwise we shouldn't even have an atmoshere left!
(but a suspicion only!)
 
Well, I'm not copy pasting the way to calculate that but here it is calcuted for oxygen at 25 degrees celsius: 482 m/sec average speed.

http://www.rutchem.rutgers.edu/Courses_f03/Chem161/evelecture10.pdf

as the escape velocity on Earth is 11,000 m/sec we do not lose a lot. As all the impulses of the molecules (m*v) average out, Hydrogen gas would be 16 times faster or almost 9,000 m/sec and since this is only an average, many molecules are faster and so we can lose H2.
 
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