Test Review 2 - a property of the infimum

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The discussion revolves around proving a property of the infimum of a set E in the real numbers, specifically that if E has a finite infimum and e is any positive number, then there exists a point a in E such that inf E <= a < inf E + e.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss breaking the proof into cases to show the relationship between a and the infimum. Questions arise about the implications of assuming the statement is not true and how that relates to the definition of infimum. There is also a suggestion to redefine the infimum in terms of a variable m.

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The discussion is active, with participants exploring different approaches and questioning the assumptions underlying the proof. Some guidance has been offered regarding the implications of the definitions involved, but there is no explicit consensus on the best method to proceed.

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Participants are navigating the definitions and properties of infimum, particularly in relation to the existence of elements in the set E that satisfy the conditions outlined in the problem. There is an emphasis on the uniqueness of the infimum and its implications for the proof.

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Another question: Prove that if a set E in R has a finite infimum and e > 0 is any positive number, then there is a point a in E such that inf E <= a < inf E + e.

The first part, inf E <= a, is obvious from the definition of infimum.

I am having trouble showing that a < inf E + e, even though it seems obvious. My thought is to break it into two cases.

Case 1: inf E = a. Then, we know that since e is strictly greater than 0, that inf E < inf E + e. Thus a < inf E + e.

Case 2: inf E < a. Then what can I use to help me show that a < inf E + e?

Colleen
 
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Suppose the statement were NOT true. Since a is an infimum, it is a lower bound so there are no members of the set less than a. If there were no member of the set between a and a+ epsilon, there would be no members of the set less than a+ epsilon. What does that make a+ epsilon? How does that contradict the hypotheses?
 
HallsofIvy, what are you supposing is not true? Do you follow my proof and then suppose that Case 2 is not true?

Or are you supposing the original statement is not true?

I understand where you are going ... that your assumption would show that
a + epsilon would then become the infimum (but there is only one infimum for the set), but I'm not sure how you said that a was the infimum.

We have actually already shown that inf E <= a, so how do we know that a is exactly the infimum for the set?
 
whats wrong with just saying let m = inf E then since e>0 then m+e is not a lower bound so there is some a in E such that a<m+e so m<=a<m+e
 

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