How Is Average Force Calculated When Bullets Hit Different Surfaces?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the average force exerted by bullets when they impact different surfaces, specifically a thick wooden wall and a steel wall. The subject area includes concepts of impulse, momentum, and elastic collisions in physics.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of impulse and average force for bullets hitting a wooden wall, with one participant providing a calculation and seeking validation. Another participant suggests that the approach for the second question is similar but involves a change in momentum due to elastic rebound.

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Some participants have provided calculations and insights regarding the first part of the problem, while there is ongoing exploration of the second part, particularly concerning the implications of elastic collisions. There is no explicit consensus, but guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the two scenarios.

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Hi,
Please can I have some help with this problem:

A machine gun in automatic mode fires 20g bullets with vbullet=300m/s at 60 bullets/second.
a- If the bullets enters a thick wooden wall, what is the average force exerted against the wall?
b- If the bullets hit a steel wall and rebound elastically,what is the average force on the wall?


What i did is
for a:
I computed the impulse: I= pf-pi= m*v-( 0)=6 N.s
to calculate the average force: I/(time for one bullet to be fired)= 6/(1/60)=360N

Am I right?
However I have no idea for the second question??
B.
 
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brad sue said:
Hi,
Please can I have some help with this problem:
A machine gun in automatic mode fires 20g bullets with vbullet=300m/s at 60 bullets/second.
a- If the bullets enters a thick wooden wall, what is the average force exerted against the wall?
b- If the bullets hit a steel wall and rebound elastically,what is the average force on the wall?

What i did is
for a:
I computed the impulse: I= pf-pi= m*v-( 0)=6 N.s
to calculate the average force: I/(time for one bullet to be fired)= 6/(1/60)=360N
Am I right?
However I have no idea for the second question??
B.

please can someone help me with this problem?
 
brad sue said:
What i did is
for a:
I computed the impulse: I= pf-pi= m*v-( 0)=6 N.s
to calculate the average force: I/(time for one bullet to be fired)= 6/(1/60)=360N
Am I right?
Yes.
However I have no idea for the second question??
It's the same idea. The only difference is the change in momentum. (The final velocity of the bullet is not zero.)
 
I think that for the second question, the average force should be twice as much, cos the collision is modeled as completely elastic, so you have the following maths...
FT = m(u-v) // m = 0.02 kg, u = 300 m/s, v = -300 m/s ...
Therefore, the answer to the second question is twice your answer to the first part (I think) someone will correct me if I'm wrong, so if I am wrong, then it doesn't matter
 

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