Heard the moon is moving away from us

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The discussion centers around the phenomenon of the Moon moving away from the Earth, exploring its implications on the Moon's orbital speed and the Earth's rotational speed. Participants examine the mechanics of tidal forces, orbital dynamics, and potential future scenarios regarding the Moon's orbit.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the Moon's movement away from the Earth is linked to tidal forces, which slow the Earth's rotation while transferring energy to the Moon's orbit.
  • Others argue that while the Moon's orbit gains energy, there is significant energy loss due to heat and radiation, complicating the conservation of energy between the two bodies.
  • One participant notes that the Moon's orbit is elliptical, having a perigee and an apogee, but questions the relevance of this point in the context of the discussion.
  • Concerns are raised about the long-term implications of the Moon moving away, including hypothetical scenarios where it could lose its orbit or eventually disintegrate if it approaches the Earth's Roche limit.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the implications of the Moon's movement and the mechanics of tidal forces. The discussion remains unresolved on several speculative points about the Moon's future and its orbital dynamics.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions about energy transfer and the long-term stability of the Moon's orbit, as well as the dependence on definitions of orbital mechanics.

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i heard the moon is moving away from us, does that mean its orbital speed has increased? how will that affect the rotational speed of Earth on its axis? slower?
 
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The Moon raises tides on the Earth. The Earth is rotating at a quicker rate (once per 'day') than the Moon orbits the Earth (once per 'month'). The tides in turn slow the Earth down, a phenomenon called 'tidal breaking'. As a reaction to the force raising the tides the moon 'speeds up' and slowly moves away from the Earth. I say 'speeds up' in parenthesis because as the Moon moves away from the Earth the Moon actually slows down, but it is in a higher potential energy orbit.

The Earth's rotational energy is thus transferred to the Moon's orbital energy. Eventually the Earth will always have the same 'face' turned towards the Moon, as already the Moon's nearside 'face' is always turned towards the Earth.

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Garth said:
The Earth's rotational energy is thus transferred to the Moon's orbital energy. Eventually the Earth will always have the same 'face' turned towards the Moon, as already the Moon's nearside 'face' is always turned towards the Earth.

Though the moon's orbit is gaining energy and the Earth's rotation is losing it, it's worth pointing out that energy is not conserved between those two things. There is a significant amount of energy loss (in the form of heat and radiation) when the moon distorts the earth. There is not, however, another significant sink for the angular momentum, so it is fair to say that the angular momentum of the Earth's rotation is transferred to the moon's orbit.
 
I am no expert but I am quite certain that the moon orbits the Earth eliptically which means it has a perigee and an apogee.
 
Plastic Photon said:
I am no expert but I am quite certain that the moon orbits the Earth eliptically which means it has a perigee and an apogee.

This is true, but why do you bring it up?
 
What happens if the Moon is moving too far from us? Could it lose the orbit, start wandering around and crash some other planet? Or even Earth?
 
Quan Chi said:
What happens if the Moon is moving too far from us? Could it lose the orbit, start wandering around and crash some other planet? Or even Earth?
No - these orbital changes are tiny. However in the very far future the Moon will very slowly move back towards the Earth and - if it is still in existence then - the Moon will approach inside the Earth's Roche limit and disintegrate. The Earth may then end up moonless but with a beautiful set of Saturn-like rings!

Garth
 

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