Proof of Gravity Waves Energy: Richard Feymann's Beads on a Rod

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the proof of energy associated with gravitational waves (GWs) using Richard Feynman's analogy of beads on a rod. Participants explore the implications of heat generation from gravitational waves and its significance in understanding energy transfer.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that Feynman's analogy suggests that gravitational waves can move beads on a rod, generating friction and heat, which implies that gravitational waves must have energy.
  • Another participant questions the proof by arguing that gravitational waves may not permanently alter the rod, suggesting that this could mean the gravitational wave does not lose energy.
  • A subsequent reply challenges this notion by asking how the rod can remain unaltered if it is producing heat, indicating a potential contradiction in the argument.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of heat generation, stating that it is thermodynamically impossible to convert all work to heat, thus linking work done by gravitational waves to an increase in entropy of the rod.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of heat generation and the permanence of changes to the rod caused by gravitational waves. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives on the significance of these points.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the nature of energy transfer in gravitational waves and the thermodynamic implications of heat generation. The discussion does not clarify the conditions under which the rod is considered altered or unaltered.

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I read that one of the most accepted proofs that gravity waves have energy is Richard Feymann's : imagine beads on a rod, gravity waves can move the beads creating friction and heat so they must have energy.

Why does the heat creation make this such a great proof? Isn't it obvious that if they can accelerate mass than they must at least have potantial energy? I know that I must be missing something here. Can someone please explain?
 
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One might otherwise argue that the passing of a GW will not alter the rod permanently and therefore the GW doesn´t lose energy. Or so.
 
Ich said:
One might otherwise argue that the passing of a GW will not alter the rod permanently and therefore the GW doesn´t lose energy. Or so.
How can it not be altered permanently if it's giving off heat?
 
Is that why the heat is so important?
 
daniel_i_l said:
Is that why the heat is so important?
It is important since it is thermodynamically impossible to convert all work to heat, so if a gravity wave does some work W for some time T, then does no more work, and an amount of heat Q is given off, the entropy of the rod has increased.
 

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