Lower mass = more elliptical orbit?

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The discussion centers on the relationship between the mass of orbiting bodies and the shape of their orbits, specifically whether lower mass bodies tend to have more elliptical orbits. Participants explore various factors influencing orbital characteristics, including the mass of the primary body and initial conditions.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether lower mass orbiting bodies result in more elliptical orbits, suggesting that other factors also play significant roles.
  • One participant clarifies that the mass in question refers to the orbiting body and discusses how the mass of the star may influence the orbit's characteristics.
  • Another participant notes that in a binary system with unequal masses, the eccentricities of the orbits are equal, but their dimensions are inversely proportional to the masses of the bodies.
  • It is proposed that the ellipticity of an orbit is not solely determined by the masses involved but also by the system's history and initial conditions, indicating that external disturbances can alter the orbit's shape.
  • One participant suggests that lower mass objects may appear to have more elliptical orbits because they require less energy to disturb, making it easier to achieve such orbits compared to more massive bodies.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the influence of mass on orbital shape, with no consensus reached on whether lower mass leads to more elliptical orbits. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the primary factors affecting orbital eccentricity.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the relationship between mass and orbital shape is complex and may depend on multiple variables, including historical interactions and initial conditions, which are not fully explored in the discussion.

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Does it? :confused:
 
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vincentm said:
Does it? :confused:
It shouldn't; orbits have many other factors that determine their path. But, do you mean lower mass of the primary body or "orbiting" body? The mass can determine the orbit's decay, change, tidal locking, etc. but shouldn't have much to do with initial eccentricity.
 
i mean the orbiting body. Let's say there is a system that contains just two bodies orbiting a star, one with a higher mass than the other. which one would have a more elliptical orbit? Or does this depend on the mass of the star it's orbiting?
 
vincentm said:
i mean the orbiting body. Let's say there is a system that contains just two bodies orbiting a star, one with a higher mass than the other. which one would have a more elliptical orbit? Or does this depend on the mass of the star it's orbiting?
In a binary system with unequal masses each orbit, as seen from the Centre of Mass of the combined system, is the mirror image of the other with dimensions inversely proportional to the mass of each body.

The eccentricities are equal.

Garth
 
vincentm said:
i mean the orbiting body. Let's say there is a system that contains just two bodies orbiting a star, one with a higher mass than the other. which one would have a more elliptical orbit?

The ellipticity of an orbit is not determined uniquely by the values of the masses in the system -- it depends also on its history and initial conditions. In other words, I could take the three-body system you describe above and give a kick to either one of the planets, making its orbit more elliptical.

One reason you might find that lower mass objects tend to have more elliptical orbits is that it takes less energy to disturb them. For example, I can send a satellite into an elliptical orbit with a small amount of fuel, while doing the same with the Earth would require an enormous quantity of energy.
 
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SpaceTiger said:
The ellipticity of an orbit is not determined uniquely by the values of the masses in the system -- it depends also on its history and initial conditions. In other words, I could take the three-body system you describe above and give a kick to either one of the planets, making its orbit more elliptical.
One reason you might find that lower mass objects tend to have more elliptical orbits is that it takes less energy to disturb them. For example, I can send a satellite into an elliptical orbit with a small amount of fuel, while doing the same with the Earth would require an enormous amount of energy.
Thank you, that helps a lot!
 

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