Anyone care to guess the size/diameter of the Universe?

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The discussion revolves around the size and diameter of the Universe, exploring concepts related to its dimensionality, curvature, and the implications of cosmological expansion. Participants engage in theoretical speculation, questioning the nature of the Universe and its potential extra dimensions.

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  • Some participants suggest that the Universe may have extra dimensions, complicating any attempts to define its size or shape.
  • Others propose that the Universe is unbounded and infinite, both spatially and temporally.
  • A participant questions the meaning of "diameter," suggesting it could relate to curvature radius, and also posits an infinite Universe.
  • One participant cites evidence from the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB) to argue for a finite closed Universe with a significant curvature radius.
  • Another participant expresses a belief in a finite Universe with non-compactified extra dimensions, seeking alternative models to the Randall-Sundrum II model.
  • Some participants affirm the current state of expansion of the Universe, while others contest the mainstream view of cosmological expansion.
  • A participant challenges the validity of the Big Bang model, referencing historical predictions and the implications of the CMB discovery.
  • There is a discussion about the accuracy of historical predictions regarding the CMB, with differing views on the contributions of various scientists.

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Participants express a range of views on the size and nature of the Universe, with no clear consensus reached. Some advocate for an infinite Universe, while others argue for a finite model, leading to ongoing debate and uncertainty.

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Participants' claims depend on various assumptions about the Universe's structure and the interpretation of cosmological evidence. The discussion includes unresolved mathematical and conceptual challenges related to defining the Universe's size and the implications of its expansion.

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Anyone care to guess the size/diameter of the Universe?

Somehow I think we live in a Universe with extra dimensions, and we'd be fooling ourselves to guess the Universe's size because we don't even know it's shape.
 
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In 3 dimensions, I'll go with unbounded/infinite.
I'll reserve judgement on the possibility of additional dimensions until more evidence is in.
 
What do you mean with "diameter" of the universe? Twice the curvature radius or what?

Anyway, my guess is infinite.
 
The lack of patterns over a specific angular separation in the CMB map lead Neil Cornish to the conclusion that the universe must be at least 24 Gpc in diameter, see this. My vote goes to a finite closed universe, with a curvature radius considerably greater than the radius of the observable universe.
 
finite

My guess is it is finite with non-compactified extra dimensions. Now that requires an explanation where the extra dimensions are. I think that is interesting. I don't particularly like the Randall-Sundrum II model. Does anyone know of other possibilities for infinite extra dimensions?

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Sabine
 
Unbounded and infinite, both spacially and temporally.
 
Isn't the universe in a current state of expansion?
 
vincentm said:
Isn't the universe in a current state of expansion?

That's correct, but there's no good reason to suppose a spatially infinite universe can't expand. As for turbo, he doesn't believe in expansion, but that idea pretty far out of the mainstream by now.

I think our universe is probably finite. I wouldn't try to even guess whether or not there is an infinite multiverse.

Edit: Generalized response, wasn't sure who vincent was responding to.
 
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SpaceTiger said:
That's correct, but there's no good reason to suppose a spatially infinite universe can't expand. As for turbo, he doesn't believe in expansion, but that idea pretty far out of the mainstream by now.
I do not believe in cosmological expansion, and I do not expect you to expound upon this or support this idea in any way. It would be nice however if you would acknowledge that prior to Penzias and Wilson's discovery of the CMB radiation (already predicted by Eddington and many others dating about 60 years earlier in the Steady State model), Gamow had refined his prediction to 50 deg K, and this prediction was refuted, as Eddington's was confirmed. The measurement of the CMB was a confirmation of the SS model and a falsification of the BB model, although you would not know that from all the flak surrounding concordance cosmoology today.
 
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http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/Eddington-T0.html"

He predicts a radiation background with an effective temperature (i.e. one obtained by considering the energy density of the radiation) of 3.18 K by integrating the starlight in our galaxy. If one were to neglect dust and do a similar calculation today, one would get a similar result, so he wasn't entirely wrong. The problem is that it didn't predict the CMB, which lies in an entirely different part of the electromagnetic spectrum.
 
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turbo-1 said:
I do not believe in cosmological expansion, and I do not expect you to expound upon this or support this idea in any way. It would be nice however if you would acknowledge that prior to Penzias and Wilson's discovery of the CMB radiation (already predicted by Eddington and many others dating about 60 years earlier in the Steady State model), Gamow had refined his prediction to 50 deg K, and this prediction was refuted, as Eddington's was confirmed. The measurement of the CMB was a confirmation of the SS model and a falsification of the BB model, although you would not know that from all the flak surrounding concordance cosmoology today.
I can't resist that bait, turbo. Getting the right answer is meaningless without getting it for the right reasons. Eddington himself admitted his reasoning was wrong in predicting the CMB temperature. This has been discussed before on PF. It is true Gamow came up with a less accurate prediction, but his reasoning was rock solid. This is why he got credit, and Eddington did not... at least in scientific circles. In my, and many other minds, it boils down to choosing between clairvoyance and science.
 

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