Do colliders observe mass first-hand?

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The discussion revolves around the confirmation of particle masses in laboratory settings, particularly in the context of collider experiments. Participants explore the methods used to determine mass and raise questions about the discovery of theoretical particles like the graviton.

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  • One participant questions whether all characteristics of particles, including mass, are confirmed through laboratory tests and seeks clarification on the processes involved.
  • Another participant challenges the premise of discovering the graviton, suggesting that if it does not exist, it cannot be discovered.
  • It is noted that experiments and theoretical models have progressed together, with higher energy colliders leading to the discovery of new particles.
  • A participant explains that the mass of a particle is determined by measuring energy and momentum in interactions and applying conservation laws, referencing the relationship E^2 = (pc)^2 + (m_0 c^2)^2.
  • One participant provides an example of a mass distribution from a collider experiment, illustrating how particle masses can be reconstructed from decay products.
  • There is a repeated rhetorical question regarding gravity acting as an omni-directional monofield, which seems to provoke further contemplation rather than a direct answer.

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Participants express differing views on the existence and discovery of the graviton, and there is no consensus on the confirmation of particle masses in laboratory settings. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the nature of gravity and its theoretical implications.

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Some claims depend on specific definitions and assumptions about particle physics and the nature of gravity, which are not fully explored in the discussion.

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Are all of the characteristics of particles currently confirmed by tests?

For instance, while I understand that certain particles are prescribed certain masses - and that these particles can be observed in cloud chambers, etc - but is the mass itself confirmed in the lab? By what process?

Also - and this is probably worthy of another thread - how will the graviton (the actual particle, not the phenomenon of g waves or gravity) be "discovered" in the lab? Will this happen soon or is the graviton still very speculative currently?

Thanks

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What do you mean "how will it be discovered"? If it doesn't exist, it's not going to be discovered... But if it does, of course, it will be hopefully.
 
Experiments and theoretical models have been going concurrently. As colliders have achieved higher energies, more particles have been discovered.

Take a look in the thread - Elementary Particles Presented - https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=43685
 
Doesn't Gravity act like a omni-directional Monofield in some sence?
 
jhe1984 said:
I understand that certain particles are prescribed certain masses - and that these particles can be observed in cloud chambers, etc - but is the mass itself confirmed in the lab? By what process?

In particle-physics experiments one determines the mass of a particle by measuring energy and momentum of the particles in an interaction that includes the particle in question, and applying conservation of energy and momentum, and the relationship

[tex]E^2 = (pc)^2 + (m_0 c^2)^2[/tex]

New particles have often first shown up as peaks in a histogram of [itex]E^2 - (pc)^2[/itex] where E and p are the total energy and momentum of the outgoing particles after an interaction, indicating that a particle with the corresponding mass was an "intermediate" particle in the reaction.
 
Here is an example of the distribution mentioned by jtbell. This is from a published CDF result, showing the mass of a B-meson, reconstructed from its observable decay products.
 

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Intuitive said:
Doesn't Gravity act like a omni-directional Monofield in some sence?
:rolleyes:

With all due respect, but allow me to contemplate on this raethorical question : "Do i understand myself, the words i have just written down ?"


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marlon
 

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