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# Time Dilation & Redshift for a Static Black Hole

Posted Jun16-08 at 02:29 PM by stevebd1
Updated Jul28-08 at 01:04 PM by stevebd1

The following is an overview of the time dilation and gravitational redshift effects of a static (Schwarzschild) black hole- In accordance with general relativity, a strong gravitational field can slow down time. The closer you get to the event horizon of a black hole (if you can survive the gravity gradients and have some means of propulsion that will keep you stable in the overwhelming gravity), there will appear no difference to yourself but time will pass slower for you and quicker for people outside the field (with no apparent difference to them either). On returning from the edge of the black hole, depending on how close you were to the event horizon and how long you were there for, you would have aged less than the people outside the black holes strong gravitational field. This can be calculated using the following equation-

t' = t(1 - 2Gm/rc^2)^1/2 which can be rewritten as t' = t(1 - Rs/R)^1/2

where t'- actual time experienced within black holes gravity field, t- time observed from infinity, Rs- Schwarzschild radius of black hole, r- radius time was spent at (G- gravitational constant, m- mass, c- speed of light).

For example, if an observer was to spend an 'observed' 3 days at 1 km from the event horizon of a 12,000 sol mass black hole, they would only experience-

t' = 3(1 - 35,444,395.840/35,445,395.840)^1/2

t' = 0.01594 days (22 minutes, 57 seconds)*

*That is, if they instantaneously travel to the mark and travel instantaneously back again, otherwise time dilation would need to be taken into account for the various stages of the trip.

Likewise, due to the immense gravity, the electromagnetic information being sent out by person would be extremely redshifted. This can be calculated using the following equation-

z = 1/(1 - 2Gm/rc^2)^1/2 - 1 (black hole event horizon = surface of infinite redshift)

Therefore, the redshift at 1 km from the event horizon would result in z = 187.2697. Information at a wavelength of 550 nm (the colour green in the visible spectrum) would be stretched to a wavelength of 103,547.95 nm** (0.10355 mm or 103.55 um) which would put it in the FIR wavelength (far infrared light waves) (in comparison, the sun has a surface gravitational redshift of z = 0.000002123 which has near to zero effect on the electromagnetic information. A white dwarf with a 1.14 sol mass and a 4.5x10^6 m radius has a gravitational redshift of z = 0.0003728. For a neutron star with a 2 sol mass and a 12 km radius, z = 0.4034, therefore gravitational redshift only applies to compact stars or black holes). The strong gravity field would have the opposite effect on light going the other way as it was pulled in towards the event horizon. From outside the gravity field, the individual would appear to slow down and disappear overtime as the light coming from them was redshifted towards radio waves, but from the inside, the observer might see the outside 3 days pass in the ~23 minutes they spent at 1 km from the event horizon. It's very likely that this light would be blue shifted into the x-ray and gamma ray spectrum which would no doubt have fairly drastic consequences for the observer.

**z = (observed wl - emitted wl)/emitted wl => observed wl = (z x emitted wl) + emitted wl

wl = wavelength

Imagine a spaceship is in orbit 1,000,000 km from a 12,000 sol black hole (even here, the craft would have to have powerful engines in order for it not to be pulled in by the black holes gravity which would still be 1,511,714.28 m/s^2 at this point). Gravitational redshift would be minimal (550 nm would be 559.66 nm, green would still be green). Here, time dilation would already be beginning to take effect (~59 minutes would pass compared to every hour in regular space outside the black holes gravity field). A scout ship with the capacity to travel over 1,000,000 km almost instantaneously (an average velocity of 30,000 km/s, 0.1c, covering the 1 million km in ~35 seconds. Time dilation due to this velocity is virtually undetectable) is sent out towards the black hole. Due to the velocity of the craft, it would appear orange to the main ship for the majority of the journey but as it reached the 100,000 km mark from the event horizon, it would begin to turn deep red (light wavelengths from the scout ship would be stretched from 600 nm to 650 nm due to gravitational redshifting). At around the 50,000 km mark, it would disappear to the naked eye and the observer ship would have to use infrared equipment in order to monitor the scout ships progress. As the scout ship passed the 10,000 km mark it would appear to slow down as time dilation meant that 30 seconds for the scout ship would appear as 1 minute for the main ship (the scout ship would appear to half its speed). By the time the ship reached the 1 km mark from the event horizon, it would be in far infrared. It would be seen to hover for 3 days, visible only to infrared equipment on the main ship, the crew having plenty of time to monitor the scout ship's position. After a full 3 days at the 1 km mark, the scout ship would at first appear to slowly make its way back to the ship, picking up speed as it went through far, mid and near infrared, back into visible light, 100,000 km from the event horizon, appearing nearly full speed now as the time dilation here is only 0.85 (1 minute for the main ship would be ~52 seconds for the scout ship). Over the remaining 900,000 km, the ship would appear blue due to its velocity. Once the scout ship had returned, it would inform the crew of the main ship that it had been travelling at maximum speed all the way, taking only 35 seconds to arrive at the 1 km mark where it hovered for just 23 minutes before accelerating away at full power to arrive back at the main ship.

Time dilation and gravitational redshift become more extreme the closer you get to the black hole, at 1 m of the event horizon, you would only experience-

t' = 3(1 - 35,444,395.840/35,444,396.840)^1/2 = 0.0005039 days (43.5 seconds)

The redshift would be z = 5,957.8339 (550 nm (green) would be at 3,277,358.67 nm, 3.2774 mm, which would put it in EHF, Extremely high frequency radio waves, detectable only by radio receivers)

and at 5 mm from the event horizon-

t' = 3(1 - 35,444,395.840/35,444,395.845)^1/2 = 0.0000356 days (3.1 seconds)

The redshift would be z = 104,962.5236 (550 nm (green) would be at 57,729,937.98 nm, 57.730 mm, which would put it in SHF, Super high frequency radio waves).

Within the last 5 mm as you reached the event horizon, you would shift through medium to very low frequency to infinite wave length and time dilation would go from 3 days passing in 3 seconds to centuries passing in mere fractions of a second. A life time would pass for anyone observing you from the outside with sensitive radio equipment.

At exactly on the event horizon, where gravity is considered to be infinite, if a person was to look outwards from the black hole, they might see some portion of the future of the universe flash before them before they free fall at close to the speed of light towards the singularity, the time of this fall (for a static Schwarzschild black hole) can be calculated by the following (which seems derivative of the antipode distance of a hypersphere based on the gravitational radius)-

Rg pi/c = Gm pi/c^3 = 1.548x10^-5 x sol mass = time in seconds to singularity

For a 12,000 sol mass black hole, this would be a full 0.1857 seconds to admire the view before reaching the singularity.
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1.  So that's the mathematical description for infinite red-shift, does infinite red-shift exist to the observer? Posted Jun16-08 at 03:20 PM by WCOLtd Updated Jun18-08 at 12:02 AM by WCOLtd
2.  Hey I have a question; is the mass of a black hole like all the other mass in the universe?, what I mean is, Is it's gravitational mass equal to it's inertial mass? Posted Jun17-08 at 05:41 AM by WCOLtd
3.  Inertial mass seems closely related to relativistic mass and while the Schwarzschild black hole is a good concept model for a black hole, due to the fact that no star is absolutely static and will have some degree of rotation, it's likely that all black holes would be more akin to the Kerr model. If this is the case, then due to the conservation of angular momentum, the singularity would be spinning at at least c which makes it ultra-relativistic and of infinite relativistic mass and possibly infinite inertial mass while the gravitational mass remains the same. Wikipedia does state that while gravitational mass and inertial mass are considered to have the same value, they do separate around supermassive (or super compact) objects such as neutron stars and black holes but this seems due to the high gradient of the gravitational field around such objects as apposed to their high velocity of rotation. The fact that spacetime is rotating at c at the ergosphere of Kerr black holes increasing to infinity at the event horizon also implies that something unusual has happened to the rotational velocity of the collapsed matter. I think I asked a question else where in the forum about the contribution of kinetic energy also to the overall mass of neutron stars and black holes. Posted Jun18-08 at 01:12 AM by stevebd1 Updated Jun18-08 at 05:08 PM by stevebd1
4. ### My Disc Idea

I was thinking of rotation as a possible explination of the differential between gravitational and inertial mass, but a different kind of rotation, one that is very much against common-sense conception,

Imagine a rigid disc that is spinning at a great rate, but the difference is, the further away from the center of the disc, the slower the disc is moving compared with being at rest so the edges of the disc are at rest and the center is spinning at a great rate, imagine further that instead of the centrifugal force directing bodies of mass in an outward fashion, they direct mass inwards towards the center of the disc. This would appear to be like any disc we can see, in that the constituted distance resembles a disc, but there is a difference between the constituted distance and the represented distance (or the distance defined by light) in that field. So that all distances closer to the center represent a larger distance than the apparent distance at the edge of the disc, (when defined by the propigation of light)

I feel like that may be a good analogy for gravity.
Posted Jun18-08 at 04:50 PM by WCOLtd