The Science of Time Travel: Uncovering Ancient Knowledge and Modern Discoveries

[Antonio Lao]

To Everyone Who loves Time Travel,

The English science fiction writer H.G. Wells wrote the book 'Time Machine' in 1895. As far as I know, this is the only book about time travel written before Einstein's special theory of relativity of 1905. H. G. Wells could have influence Einstein but Einstein did not assert that time travel is possible. What Einstein did say is that space and time are linked into a four dimensional continuum.

The theory of space-time says that space and time can only change as a group. Time cannot change by itself and same with space. If one change the space, time also change. The universal expansion of space can also imply that time change as indicated by the increase of entropy.

but what happens if the universe is contracting? We can say that the entropy is then decreasing, just the reverse of expansion. If the increase in entropy is one direction of time then the decrease in entropy is the other direction of time. Both directions are related to what is happening to space. One case is that space is expanding and the other is that space is contracting.

But light in the form of a photon does not change in space-time. Photon (unit of light) is always constant in the space-time continuum. So if we really want to travel in time, we must become a photon then we can move in the space-time continuum without getting older or getting younger. We live forever and go anywhere, we are then moving constantly at the speed of light. The key is that our mass have to be zero like the photon.

Antonio

 

[Antonio Lao]

Facts and questions:

When we look at the starry night sky thru the telescope, we are actually looking into the past.

The past history of the universe is encapsulated inside the photon that we detected. The question is: Is this the original photon which have the original informations? Or is it just a faithful copy of the original photon preserving the original informations?

If this is the original photon then it did not aged. If this is a copy then many photon have died before it. Einstein would have said that this is the original photon and it never aged.

The farthest things, and therefore the oldest, our optical or radio telescopes can see are the quasars. The energy source of a quasar is billion times the energy of a single galaxy. Therefore the energy of the original photon must have been very large. The photon always move at 300,000 km/s, It must be the frequency or the wavelength that changed thru the ages of the journey. This explain the redshifts and the expansion of space.

Can a single photon from the big bang contain all the informations of the universe? Or at least two photons? How many photons will be needed to contain all informations of the universe?

Fiction:

If we were to be surrounded by photons into a perfectly closed volume, we will appear just like a photon with only size differences. Then we can move at the speed of light in vacuum and do some time traveling!

Antonio

 

[selfAdjoint]

Photons were not produced immediately after the big bang (in the standard cosmology). The universe was tiny and opaque then. See Lineweqver's online essay - I believe the link is easily available on the Strings Branes and LQG board.

 

[Antonio Lao]

selfAdjoint,

Thanks for your enlightenment on cosmology and the big bang.

What I really wanted to know is whether the primeval photons contain the informations of the entire universe at the epoch when they were formed. If they do, what is the minimum number of photons before duplications (copies of the same infos) start.

Antonio

 

[selfAdjoint]

The cosmic microwave background radiation, which I think is the photons you are referring to, was produced as soon as the young universe became transparent, and scientists are finding more and more detail about that early period in the subtleties we are now able to detect and interpret with the CMB. I don't think however that it holds ALL the information about the early universe, just because there are other reactions that don't happen to produce photons.

 

[Antonio Lao]

Facts:

Every event in the past is recorded by each own number of photons. If we take the entire Earth as an event or world-point, this world-point radiates continuous number of photons into outer space. If we can intercept some of these escaping photons then we can look back (by extracting the infos out of the photons) into the past of Earth just like viewing a prerecorded program on TV.

Let's try to follow the path of one photon as it escape from the event it originated from on planet earth. In one second, this photon will be almost at the moon. In 4 hours, this photon will be at the orbit of Pluto. In 8.6 years, this photon will be at the brightest star Sirius. In 24,000 years, this photon will be at the center of the Milky Way. Whatever object intercepted these photons, it is capable of reflecting (assuming perfect blackbody) these photons back to earth. And if we can filter all the photons we detected, we can basically extract the informations of the past.

Antonio

 

[Antonio Lao]

selfAdjoint,

Thanks for the infos on CMBR and photon productions.

Antonio

 

[Antonio Lao]

Speculations:

If it can be theorized that all antimatter travel in a different timeline than the matter counterpart then the phenomena of vacuum fluctuations produce virtual photons which contain informations of the past and the future. Half of the virtual photons in the universe contains all the past events and the other half contains all the future events.

The problem is how to separate the past-photons from the future-photons and after they are separated how to extract the informations.

 

[Max Emessay]

Time travel ... time tunnel...time warping...
Space journey...just 4.5 light years in next our nearest neighbor stars...Alpha Centauri
Like we step by step ( digit by digit ) Pyramid of Universe, at the top we have only scale of 10,000 yrs and at the bottom we have huge scale of 15,000,000,000 yrs. Why we have to accept into our visions of terms of "Impossibility" or "Unreachable" or "Untouchable".
Our body have about 30 trillions live-cells, there beyond of outer space we just look "unreachable" trillions trillions stars. Just staring out without reachable possibility when and when. But the most beautiful visions are in " Paradise of Earth Life Itself", Life Color, Life Characters, Life Organizations, Life Evolution are THE TOP OF ACHIEVEMENTS OF SPACE TIME, probably it is just in ONE SINGULARITY-EVENT.
In challanging of time travel we have to discover questions of DNA/RNA self-replicating molecules, waiting in next 100 yrs probably humans have answers about "IMMORTALITY" then we are freely think about 4,5 light yrs , 100 light-yrs ...at last 13.8 bya...??

http://www.memorigin.com

 

[Antonio Lao]

Max Emessay,

Thanks for the information about your website.

Recently, I finished reading a book by John Gribbin entitled "TIMEWARPS." In this book which was published in 1979, Gribbin relates the connection of time and mind. He discussed about dreams and reincarnation. Hinted how the mind can be used to control time.

I am now reading his other book called "SPACEWARPS." This was published in 1983. I am doing all my research readings in backward by buying bargain books. I am also doing my own independent research on the origin of mass in physics. And now I am leaning toward a conclusion that in order to find the true meaning of mass, we must first find the connection to a parallel universe where its time's flow direction is "opposite" to ours.

Antonio

 

[oscar]

Antonio, what you say has sense. If Eliah traveled in a charriot of "fire" (light) he should've become that "fire". Michio Kaku explains the energy demanding such journey into space-time is impressive and can't be achieve by human beings. But I do ask: Is it imposible to think we DON'T NEED THAT ENERGY if the tissue of space-time uses whatever energy it possesses opening VORTEX in specific circumstances? Let's say eclipses, alignment of planets, equinoxes, solstices...all well known by ancient civilizations of the past...something Michio Kaku didn't pay attention remonting just a few centuries but not other ones knowing the math we inherited. It's curious he didn't mention Nikolai Tesla nor Oppenheimer who were well versed in the Hindu "vimanas" using mercury and other elements. In the book The Lost Tomb of Viracocha by engineer knowing about Sun magnetism cycles, the author Maurice Cotterell has many things to share about the ancient preference of using copper devices rather than iron and the reasons related to geomagnetism and temples made of stone, creating a short circuit. When I saw the special FX in the film STARGATE I thought about the liquid Casimir efect and the photograph shown in:
www.keelynet.com/unclass/hardy1.htm
And the odd experience related to altered time:
www.amasci.com/freenrg/pyrexp1.html
www.amasci.com/freenrg/grado.html

 

[oscar]

www.dowsing.com/Pyramid/pyener.htm[/URL]
Well, even that science fiction could explain travel in space and not necessarily time.
[url]www.electrogravity.com/index2.html[/url]
[PLAIN]www.atributetohinduism.com/Vimanas.htm[/URL]
[url]www.world-mysteries.com/sar_7.htm[/url]
[PLAIN]http://ancientgravitics.tripod.com
Of course, I know this information got to be seen by skeptical people. It's good to be skeptical but it's hard to define the thin limits between that and being cynical. If I make a theory, it doesn't matter. But if physicist Robert Oppenheimer giving a lecture at Rochester University and was the supervisor of Manhattan Proyect and was familiar with Sanskrit scriptures answered to a student that the bomb exploding at Alamogordo, Mexico, was the first to detonate IN MODERN TIMES, it's because he took the references in Mahabharata, Ramayama, Bagavad Gita as TRUTH from the past. He learned Sanksrit with Professor Arthur Ryder in Berkeley. So that is even more relevant than Kaku's reference to Hindu mathematician who received the math formulas from Hindu goddess.

 

[oscar]

And adding a lit bit about "light", it's interesting the same entity "deceiving the mind" of Eve (that means a connection measured probably by Hertz frequence or Alpha and Beta brain waves) and called Satan disguiseds himself into light (2 Corinthians 11:2,14). Whenever we want to talk about science we choose to select the Greek philosophers, but not too many people cared to investigate -let's say- why apostle Paul choosed the Greek word in this text "metaschematizo" meaning metamorphosis, transfiguration or disguise. Perhaps, Mr. Carl Sagan and his friend Hoagland instead of imagining life existence on Mars, Jupiter or whatever planet and sending Pioneer to outerspace, should've taken a better look into hyperdimensions right here on Earth or possible vortex behaving like mini-black holes. Who knows, poincare and orbifolds cones are opened via odd ways and we'll discover alien activity not OUTSIDE but NEXT or WITHIN...something of an INNERSPACE linked precisely with "light".

 

[Stevo]

The use of time travel as a literary device began in the late 19th century, incidentally.

 

[selfAdjoint]

Do you have a reference before Wells' "Time Machine?". I'm not aware of any time travel story by Poe or Verne.

 

[sol2]

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=21439

Just thought I would add this. Thanks to prevous poster.

One of the earliest methods for fictional time travel didn't involve a machine; the main character in Washington Irving's "Rip van Winkle" (1819) simply fell asleep for decades. King Arthur's daughter Gweneth slept for 500 years under Merlin's spell. Ancient legends of time distortion are, in fact, quite common. One of the most poetic descriptions of time travel occurs in a popular medieval legend describing a monk entranced for a minute by the song of a magical bird. When the bird stops singing, the monk discovers that several hundred years have passed. Another example is the Moslem legend of Muhammad carried by a mare into heaven. After a long visit, the prophet returns to Earth just in time to catch a jar of water the horse had kicked over before starting its ascent.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/time/through.html

 

[oscar]

For instance, we're talking about gravity thinking about Newton and yet we forget sometimes Einstein's idea about gravity was an ilusion caused by deformation of the space. So all calculations made on Earth or whatever object could well be just math about mere deformation of particular object IN THE SPACE. I wonder if our telescopes or Hubble mirror are just like a bigger proyection of our limited "vision" staring the ever-stretching universe from THIS CORNER OF THE COSMOS. We're not in the center of the universe, so everything we watch it's like watching a baseball game in the corner of the stadium. If the things were "seen" from that particular center angle, would the orbits look eliptic or circular while Deimos and Phobos could be seen in circular orbits? The trayectory of the "balls". Even the calculation of gravity could well be speculation or using tricks:
www.newphys.se/elektromagnum/physics/Jonsson
I've read radio-astronomers using radio interferometry got to the conclusion gravity has the same speed of light.
Oh yes, I wrote light and you immediately think in the memorized formula Einstein probably copied from someone else decades before:
299.792,5 KM per second. Yet, that is along A STRAIGHT LINE in vacuum space rather than experiences in absolute coldness or inside camera with cesium when you can see light getting out BEFORE entering, that is a journey from the future to the past. If you don't consider that straight line but 144.000 minutes of an arc per second using angular degrees upon the circle of the Earth surface, the light travels in the circle of our planet 6,66 times per second:
www.geocities.com/CapitalHill/Parliament/3460/bruce.html
www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3460/brucea.html
www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3460/bruceb.html

 

[oscar]

Write after 'com' : /CapitolHill/Parliament/3460/bruce.html
in order to write the complete site.
Hence, it's good to remember Michio Kaku's humble statement the physicist dn't have slightest idea why certain numbers like 10, 26 are chosen in superstring theory, or Ramanujan math "inspiration". So allow me to remind you that number 144.000 was "chosen" by Mayas in their Baktun calendar and Apocalipsis 13:18 after explaining the code 666 immediately after, in the following verse (Apoc 14:1) gives the code 144.000. That is something related to light, Sun (worshipped in many cultures knowing about solstices, eclipses, equinoxes) and you can check more information about how Sun magnetism affect our planet in Maurice Cotterell's books:
www.mauricecotterell.com/synopsis02.htm

 

[oscar]

You can follow until synopsis 06 in that site.
The very expansion of the universe is already time and mass doesn't move but light?
www.superstringtheory.com/forum/cosmoboard/index7.html[/URL]

 

[oscar]

After "com" you got to write:
/forum/cosmoboard/index7.html
Indeed we don't even know the origin of the Earth and Moon. Geologists are puzzled about the very reasons of forces acting in the splitting of the continent Pangea. Books after books and BBC special tv series, we hear and read or see huge asteroid wiped out dinosaurs but not the analysis HOW did this catastrophe affected the very PLANET besides darkening the vision and change of temperature. We know meteorites, dust, solar energy means aproximately 55 tons per day, so how much mass or gravity was added -if ever- to the Earth in those times? Prior to that event, even cockroaches were GIANTS and birds the size of horses. Sauroposeidon's neck weighed tons and was huge though the neck bones were not as strong as giraffe without talking about a comparision between that monster and dwarf elephant with skeleton like Roman columns and muscular skills. Yet dinosaurs were FASTER! Read Knut Nielson's Scaling, Why is Animal Size So Important, Cambridge Univ, Press 1984, page 163; Natural History 12/1991, Sauropods and Gravity, Lillywhite, Univ, Fla.
A Discivery issue said in other times there was 35% more oxygen than current 20% (we know cos air bubble is preserved in amber), that's why the computer program DinoMorph done by Kent Stevens from Oregon university should've included geologists in skeleton virtual reality rather than just biologists and engineers. Gigantism is a mutation like dwarf or albinos therefore when most of the creatures were giants in those times, that is something got to be explained not by paleontologists or biologists but geologists!
This is important cos we're dealing with unknown forces of the planet and perhaps there's some truth in the following idea:
www.expanding-earth.org
Maybe w ehave to imagine proto-Earth like an egg-shape expanding together with universe. If that is so, we could expect to check NOW our planet is getting flatter on the poles and increasing the Equator belly!
Perhaps there's an indication the Earth spinned in ancient "times" FASTER and the day was merely 6 hours rather than 24 and the Moon was captured by the Earth and was nearer (1/20th part of its actual distance). That rotation also affected the "year" movement around the Sun and even if we are left in space without carrying cesium watches to compare if gravity in the Moon goes faster cos its lesser "gravity" (or lesser deformation of the space caused by the Moon) compared with Earth...; or if we are not in position to check SIMULTANEOUS TIMES of the meson-mu in its OWN TIME REFERENCE (4,5 microseconds to travel 60 km from the top of the atmosphere to surface of the Earth) or 200 microseconds (as observed on the ground)...event hough w ehave oir OWN BILOGICAL TICKING also affected by that gravity or deformation.
We don't know for sure if in the past there was more electromagnetic or electroestatic on Earth or if there was a bigger magnetic protection.

 

[oscar]

P.N.Kroptkin, from Academy Science Geological Institute in Russia, explained something similar shared by Austrian astronomer from Cambridge, Thomas Gold (he was the only one who foretold the existence of Selenic dust). It seems petroleum doesn't have a bilogical origin but is just part of ORIGINAL FORMATION OF THE PLANET. Petroleum originated from plant matter decayed by bacteria, decay backyard garden-compost piles, would resemble a microbial product, not hydrocarbon contaminated with microbial material. Moving upward helped that contamination and collected HELIUM, something of a presence not too well explained by 99% of geologists. It was found in Sweden, a non-sedimentary rock and similar hydrocarbon. The place where meteor fell had more petroleum than all Saudi Arabia.
We don't know the origin of magma.
The process called cartagenesis is indefined almost.
Dr. Alexei Dmitriev from Russian National Academy of Science in Siberia, says the whole solar system it's ENTERING INTO ENERGETIC ZONE (again imagine yourself in one part of vinyl black record, the last song and another one spinning in the first song, different diameter, space accomodating different ticking depending on where is the observer?) which is already transforming magnetic fields of all planets, increasing sunspots, magnetic storms, glowing plasma from the Sun, some planets getting brighter, ionization radiation (recent pole shifts in Uranus and Neptune included, 40 or 50% offset original rotation pole), volcanic activity. What he foretold years ago, is happening now and can be measured.
Well, well, well, it seems Mayas knew all about and foretold what we could expect in 2012.

 

[sol2]

Prediction

http://www-gap.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/BigPictures/Ramanujan.jpeg


Sol saidHow would we know what can exist in probabilty of events and we have Srinivasa Ramanujan, who can use numbers and resonances of numbers to have calulated? What is thought too, that we could have reduced everything to numbers and recognized, that even here, "symbology," speaks to the vibration of things , it's energy, and how is it, that we could have understood that what is held in mind now, is Futures time?

I just wanted to redirect your thinking to Ramanujan.

Sol saidWhy a octave and why 8 dimensions? If we are to use numerology then why not the kabalist, yet here we have a certain romance with numbers?

What if Srinivasa Ramanujan was able to pull his information from the fifth dimension, what would that mean and where is that?

Would one have to know how to get past the noise of our subconcious, to know the creative ability, is mapping, and demonstrating our futures, all the while it kept a record of the day's events, knowing what would become possible?

How would you inject resonance into any system?..


Sol saidWhy was two dimensions added to Ramanugan's modular functions to preserve the symmetry of the string and that these two vibratory modes, can be removed when this symmetry is broken. I do not understand this, could you help elucidate?

As we see, the basis of the Octave(eight) seems to be at the heart of a few systemic functions. The I ching, and it's system of propheticability? Numbers, that seem to resonant with a future, based on what?

 

[oscar]

The inspiration may well come from hyperdimension like Socrates listening the voice of a "daimonion". Check the numbers Hebrew, Maya, and Sumerian chose . Even the Quipus system of the Incas which are "strings with knots" like Jewish tzit tzit in the clothes of the priests to use it as mnemotechnique for the 613 mitzvaw laws. You'll see there was no simplistic reasoning but Greeks merely copied something from Hitites source and then forgot what they never learned. It's easy now to make calculations using 0 but it's good to remember Hindus and Mayas already knew that and they never said they discovered that cos of their geniality but cos of their gods. Whether we want to accept Ramanujan statement or the ancient ones or decide not to accept that, is just a problem of scientific pride. The Incas represented the 0 in their quipus without showing any knot. Gary Urton, antrophology professor from Harvard, says the binary code of the Incas has a total of 1536 unities based upon the sacred 7 (as many other cultures, wowowaw, what a coincidence beyond randomic odds!) similar to Sumerian scripture with 1500 signs. That's why orthodoxism gets nuts when they check proto-Sumerian scripture was found in Peru and Bolivia:
www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Bay/7051/poko2.htm
www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Bay/7051/bpokotia.htm
http://pub69.ezboard.com/fancientlosttreasuresfrm30.showMessage?topicID=16.topic
Or even critize English researcher William Burns Glynn saying Incas indeed had scripture but ignore his statement using geometric designs of Incas clothes has been already understood and decoded.

 

[oscar]

To complete the site, write after "fancientlo":
sttreasuresfrm30.showMessage?topicID=16.topic
You can read the last book made by American astronomer, Sten Odenwald in refgerence to Patterns in The Vacuum of the cosmos writing about the black constelations known by the Incas, they didn't use imaginary lines in those areas. In Qechua and Aymara language of Incas and Aymaras the words "ñawpakuy" and "nayrataña" meant go forward making no distintion between past or future represented by a curve rather than a line. The Incas worshipped the hummingbird because the movement forward and backwards also appearing in the famous Nazca lines. I already wrote the word "pacha" meant the same space and time for them and it was like Jewish notion of time going backwards or forwards as explained in Isaiah 41:22, 23. The Inca symbol of time was like the eternity, like an 8 lying down. There was not a "before" or "after" but INSIDE and OUTSIDE, time flows from inside to outside and gets back in permanent cycles, HANAN PACHA was called the future, an sphere already existing but somewhere else, the internal circle is the past and sublays and is invisible called UKU PACHA inside space and time. Between them is KAY PACHA the sphere or bellybutton from HERE-NOW and acts like a door (vortex?) or bridge (PUNKU and CHAKANA) capting our consciousness remembering the past but even checking the future. Who knows, maybe in the future the math decoders need to practice the leftover from shamanism. After all, all I needed to see fractal geometry and chaos was not even a computer or paper and pen but the chemistry interaction between mushrooms and serotonine in the brain. I just had to close eyelids:
www.jornalinfinito.com.br/series.asp?cod=81[/URL]
[PLAIN]www.jornalinfinito.com.br/series.asp?cod=80[/URL]

 

[oscar]

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[oscar]

BTW, I forgot to say we have beautiful view of a ring-galaxy AM 0644-741 available by internet, it's like a "bracelet". It's good to remember that very expression is quoted in the Biblical book of Job in reference to the "heavens" although Nasa consultant, Jewish Russian, Zecharia Sitchin, may give another explanation in his books, Genesis Revisited and 12 Planet.
Well, if we can understand it's possible human being are receiving "program" related to math codes from hyperdimension and our mind "gets" the antenna right frequence. It was not the only code taught! Would be crazy to even think in the possibility that ancient priests (not all mob of course) indeed could use the right moment of the opening of a vortex with the energy of the cosmos and took advantage of "devices" like instruments made of copper-62,, megaliths made of stone in specific places under the influence from beyond?
What if using the right tools and the right time they duplicate the so-called Philadelphia experience with Tesla Coils and indeed there was a fanastic transformation of the mass of human body into "light" producing this in bigger scale:
www.keelynet.com/unclass/hardy1.htm
http://members.optushome.com.au/dingdell/gjo/arial3.html

 

[oscar]

After "din" write:

gdell/gjo/arial3.html

A question: is iridium at 70 degrees Fahrenheit affected by gravitatory attraction?
Some authors have explained white gold powder was found in Egypt and I wonder what would happen if you set that in a device like Egyptian and Hebrew arks since I know that gold white powder was the real manna. What would happen if you set that white gold powder monoatomic or diatomic (with rodium and iridium) in the same experiment? Would it be dangerous like ?:
www.amasci.com/freenrg/pyrexp1.html
www.amasci.com/freenrg/grado.html
www.cyberspaceorbit.com/kerub.htm[/URL]
In that latter site, I really don't think Dr. Dan Bursisch PHD. in Molecular Biology and Bilogical System, will allow his name being ridiculed talking about quartz and Fibonacci in association with "Ganesh" particle unless there's at least 1% truth about it. Nobody is that stupid to write 100% wrong things.
And it goes again, special granite with quartz was used in Egypt and you can imagine where and in the middle of the spinning Earth. You know, gold was an offering to the entities in ancient cultures. It was not for trading purposes or coin. It was dedicated and so was copper...oh, yes, copper mixed with gold with "empiric" knowledge of electricity, right?

 

[Atrius]

Time travel is simply the human mind. Sleeping is time travel, its an instant to you, but you wake up, in the future. A time machine, if possible would disrupt the time space continuum and force the person into limbo, so i don't know about you, but il take sleeping...

 

[oscar]

www.totse.com/en/fringe/tesla/hardy1.html[/URL]

We say "dreams" but not even specialist in brain surgery know for sure the wonder of the brain, perhaps even more complicated than the rest of the universe. Ancient people gave importance to dreaming AND VISIONS, check Job 33:14-17 to understand why Ramanujan was not inventing his personal -and subjective- experience. Neither composers or writers in special "inspiration" . In that sense, if actually there are people who have experienced "flashback" from future or past (even used by police department) it's because they actually see the future and the future is already "recorded". Writer Atienza gave a good example, he said it was like the guy who sets the proyector in a film in a movie theatre. Even though it's a premier day, he can have a good idea about the plot of the film just taking a glance of the isolated photographs on celuloid film. You can't see the future unless it exists and so in spite of explainable skepticism regarding human experience repeated over and over and not always accurate (even Edgar Cayce knew the reasons of that), it's because that "register" exists. Our neurons and electrochemic energy going into the direction of the Big Bang are submitted and affected by entropy chaos. If there's a Big Crunch, the tape will rewind from past to present, like seeing a film from the end to the begining. Long in the sense of space cos you can calculate the meters but time depends not on director who filmed, let's say 2 hours, but depends ON WHO IS THE ONE WITH THE REMOTE CONTROL, I can press "pause", stop, play, rewind, forward, slow motion and the time will change.
Yet this is an example, not truth. Let's suppose God is source of energy and Hindu inspiration about Big Day and Big Night in Brahma's body-universe is equivalent to Big Bang and Big Crunch, let's suppose Jewish inspiration about TSIM TSUM is correct and that original energy or source which and who is God COLLAPSED. So, that means there was a Big Crunch of Himself or the Intelligent Energy BEFORE the Big Bang.

 

[oscar]

What if math itself is a bit like dream? We shouldn't turn blind eye on we have inherited math knowledge of accumulated process (maybe not quite so!), so it's easy now to learn algebraic formulas when someone already gave you the idea 1+1=2. It's important for the mathematicians not just using the tool but reckon how it came in first place, that's why I gave more information about Maya, Egyptian and Sumerian references in 2 pages in:
http://forums.atlantisrising.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000427.html

 

[oscar]

Incomplete again. Write after "com" the rest of the e-mail:

/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000427.html
Don't forget the "/ " before "ubb".

I didn't say it there but I say now, Chinese ideograms written from the top to the bottom and Mandarine language (allowing the use of other hemisphere of the brain) are probably linked to Frank Rampsey's gliph math codes just like cuneiform Sumerian scripture. The more you go into the past, it gives the impression there was no language evolution imitating sounds of animals but involution, not just cos Chinese ideograms were 50.000 but cos in ancient languages there was a multidimensional significance, symbolic, alphabetic or sylables and numerals. Easy to swallow those explanations about oral language or imitating deaf and dumb language of the orangotangos, or smaller jaw or specific bone allow the speech. Those stories sound fishy to me, language requires something more than a bone that not even a parrot requires to "talk" and whistle. It's a question of intelligence in unknown gray mass called brain.
Egyptians and Greeks were using Pi but they couldn't imagine the "irrational" number has 2000 decimal houses found so far.
When Newton wanted to calculate the weigh of our beloved blue planet, the books won't tell you very often he was Freemason who sent a friend of his to weigh the Great Pyramid in Egypt. Now, is there anybody in this forum who dares to say Mr.Newton was a "pyramidiotic"? Who want to be the first throwing the stone? Of course not cos he was the one who taught most of the things you have memorized in school and university regarding physics! Clap-clap-clap!
The same happens with Cristopher Columbus, you won't read very often he used prophetic book of Ezra II part of the first Latin production and probably Isaiah 40:22 (saying the Earth was "hugh" or circular in all directions, a globe) to convince the Spanish Catholic kings for the journey of America's "discovery".
Now, how come did Ezra and Isaiah or Job arrived to similar conclusions when Greeks later on believed in flat Earth and forgot everything they learned from Hitites by importation and not self knowledge? Such topic is disgusting for some readers, I recognize. It's like a self massage counting the story from Greek and even flatter perspective than Euclides... in order to give the false sensation we really have learned enormously in gigantic proportion in so little time.

 

[Lonewolf]

Do you have a reference before Wells' "Time Machine?". I'm not aware of any time travel story by Poe or Verne.

Have a look for "Three Sundays in a Week" by Poe. There should be an online copy somewhere. Not sure on the Verne.

 

[oscar]

I have said the ancient people knew the use of copper -now we use it in accelerators- and other devices. What do we re-discover now?:
Dr.Vladimir Poponin set DNA in a tube, irradiated it with laser. Captured the light and formed an helix spiral like a crystal. When DNA was removed, the LIGHT CONTINUED SPINNING BY ITSELF, looking like DOUBLE SNAKE violet light coming out from the pyramidion with the help of Tesla Coil. Austrian scientist, Anton Zeilenger, bended photons like multiple DNA in angular orbital moment. In Switzerland, CERN Large Hadron Collider experiences want to generate mini black holes with little entropy at a rate of 1 per second. It seems these are bubbles of vacuum. In Los Alamos National Laboratory and South Carolina Univ., they are examining the “gravastars” and they try to create super-atoms. Gravity has not been detected in space lesser than 1 mm.
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