Partitioning with Primes: Comparing P(n) and P'(n)

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The discussion revolves around comparing the partition function P(n), which counts the ways to express an integer n as a sum of positive integers, with the partition function P'(n), which counts the ways to express n as a sum of prime numbers. Participants explore the differences in the number of partitions for various integers and the implications of these differences.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the number of prime partitions, P'(n), varies for different integers, with specific examples like P'(10) being 4 and suggesting that P'(15) would differ as well.
  • One participant believes that the number of prime partitions increases with n, but not as quickly as the total partitions, P(n).
  • Another participant provides a detailed breakdown of the number of ways to partition integers, illustrating the relationship between P(n) and N(n), indicating that P(n) is generally less than N(n).
  • A participant questions the nature of the problem regarding packing blocks of integer and prime lengths into a box, suggesting that there may be more arrangements for integer lengths compared to prime lengths.
  • There is confusion regarding the concept of 'initial exact packing' and its implications for the two types of blocks being discussed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of prime partitions and their relationship to total partitions, indicating that multiple competing views remain. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the implications of the packing problem.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the definitions of partitions and the nature of the packing problem remain unresolved, and the discussion includes varying interpretations of the initial conditions and parameters involved.

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If a partition P(n) gives the number of ways of writing the integer n as a sum of positive integers, comparatively how many ways does the partition P'(n) give for writing n as a sum of primes?
 
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doesnt it varies from number to number for example the partition of the number 10 by the sums of prime numbers is 5+5,2+3+5,3+7,2+2+2+2+2 so P'(10)=4 (if mistaken do correct me) and the number of partitions of let's say 15 by its prime numbers sums is diifferent from those of 10.
 
loop quantum gravity,

Yes, I believe the number of "prime partitions," P'(n), increases with integer n, just not as rapidly as that of conventional partitions, P(n). (Do I understand you correctly?)
 
The number of ways that a number can be written as the sum of positive integers? I assume that you mean without ordering.

So we have:
N(0)=0
N(1)=1 (1)
N(2)=2 (1+1,2)
N(3)=3 (1+1+1,1+2,3)
N(4)=5 (1+1+1+1,1+1+2,1+3,2+2,4)
N(5)=7 (1+1+1+1+1,1+1+1+2,1+1+3,1+2+2,1+4,2+3,5)
N(6)=10(1+1+1+1+1+1,1+1+1+1+2,1+1+1+3,1+1+2+2,1+1+4
1+2+3,1+5,2+2+2,2+4,6)

P(0)=0
P(1)=0
P(2)=1 (2)
P(3)=1 (3)
P(4)=1 (2+2)
P(5)=2 (2+3,5)
P(6)=2 (2+2+2,3+3)
P(7)=3 (2+2+3,2+5,7)
P(8)=3 (2+2+2+2,2+3+3,3+5)
P(9)=4 (2+2+2+3,2+2+5,2+7,3+3+3)

Obviously P(n)<N(n) and
[tex]\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} \frac{P(n)}{N(n)}=0[/tex]
 
but one itself isn't a prime.
 
Take a box of volume V, exactly filled by a large number of either (1.) blocks having progressively integer length, or (2.) blocks having progressively prime length and both (1. & 2.) of unit square cross-section. Is the initial exact packing more easily determined for one situation than the other?
 
Originally posted by Loren Booda
Take a box of volume V, exactly filled by a large number of either (1.) blocks having progressively integer length, or (2.) blocks having progressively prime length and both (1. & 2.) of unit square cross-section. Is the initial exact packing more easily determined for one situation than the other?

You mean that you have a line segment, and you're partitioning it into intervals of decreasing size?

I don't understand the notion of 'initial exact packing' that you describe, but there are definitely more possibe arrangements for (1) than there are for (2) if V > 0.
 
Two sets of blocks each fit a given box exactly. All blocks have a square cross-section of unit area. The first set comprises blocks of sequential integer >0 length, the second set comprises blocks of sequential prime >1 length. Initially given either set unboxed, which boxing is more easily determinable?
 
Huh? I don't understand your question.

Are you trying to do this type of problem:

Given an integer N > 1 construct a set of primes [tex]{p_i}[/tex] with [tex]i \neq j \rightarrow p_i \neq p_j[/tex] and [tex]\sum p_i = N[/tex].
 
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Sorry, NateTG, I perceived a pattern that apparently wasn't there.
 

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