Fundamental Counting Principle problem

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a 3-number combination lock with numbers ranging from 0 to 59, specifically focusing on the conditions where the first and second numbers differ by 3. Participants are exploring the implications of these conditions on the total number of possible combinations.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are analyzing the constraints imposed by the requirement that the first and second numbers differ by 3, considering edge cases where the first number is at the extremes (0, 1, 2, 57, 58, 59). There are discussions about the total counts of valid combinations based on these conditions.

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There is an ongoing examination of the initial calculations presented by the original poster, with some participants providing alternative interpretations and corrections regarding the counting of valid combinations. The conversation is productive, with multiple perspectives being explored, but no consensus has been reached yet.

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Participants are questioning the assumptions about how many valid options remain for the second number based on the value of the first number, highlighting the need to consider specific cases where the first number is at the boundaries of the range.

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The dial on a 3 number combination lock contains markings to represent the numbers from 0 to 59. How many combinations are possible if the first and second numbers differ by 3?

What I did was:

1st number: It can be any of the 60 numbers (if we take 0 also as a #)
2nd number: I think since there are two possibilities, either 3 greater than 1st # or 3 less
3rd number: Since you've already take a number for the first one, and you must choose either of 3 less or 3 greater than the first number as the 2nd #, you must in the end have 57 #'s left to choose from

Therefore the answer I think is 60 x 2 x 57

Is that right?
 
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Not quite. If the first number is 57, 58 or 59, then the next number CAN'T be "3 larger" but only 3 less. If the first number is 0, 1, or 2, the next number CAN'T be "3 less but only 3 more.
That is, if the first number is 3 to 56 (54 numbers) then there are 2 possible second number but if the first number is 0, 1, 2, 57, 58, or 59, then there is only 1 possible second number. There are 54*2+ 3+ 3= 114 possible two digit combinations for the first two numbers. There are 114*60= 6840 such three digit combinations.
 
Halls,

While he didn't explicity state it, I would think that you can go "over the top" and consider 59 and 2 to differ by 3.

Pi,

I think you're almost correct. However, if you choose one of 60 numbers, then choose one of the 59 remaining, there are 58 left -- NOT 57.

- Warren
 
Thanks for the replies guys. Hall I don't understand why you did 54*2 and added 6
 

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